Why the Right and Left hate each other

So, you are well schooled on marxism.

Me, I prefer capitalism, but to each his own.

 

Whatever are you talking about, nothing in my post was about "personalities" or "policy". I pointed out that the big News Media campaign of disinformation started with "Lush Rimbaw and Faux News", and they made a killing at it; which spawned many copy cats. If you're going to make accusations about what I said, at least tie them back into something I actually said.

 

Yep through out two ad hons right off the top and repeated it just now. Leftist almost reflexively think the worst of anyone who disagrees with them and the more effective they are at disputing leftist nonsense the more they are hated. Thanks for demonstrating that basic fact.

 

What's an ad horn? IMHO, hate news started with Limbaw and Faux. Conflate that as you wish; have fun!

 

Sorry, ad homs, and there you go again. And of course there is no hate in it.

 

At the end of the day, most all of us want similar things.
Have a job. Put a roof over the head, food on the table, and raise a good family.

Most of the difference occur over a few issues. Military, welfare, and freedoms. Although, one would think all of us would like freedoms. Probably because each issue has a line in the sand, and sand can gets washed away and blown around.

 

I often refer to the 2 party system as good cop/bad cop, and they just exchange roles periodically.
But 90% of congress never gets voted out of office. So they don't have to worry who is playing which role.

 

His name is El Rusho, also known as the all-sensing, all-knowing, all-feeling, all-caring, all-concerned Maha Rushie.

Got it? Good.

 

You're really bossy, aren't you?

Too bad for you I won't be bossed.

Got it? Good.

Call him what you like, personally I like Lush Rimbaugh.

Got it? Good.

 

Example: CRT.

Two posters just defined it. Do you not understand plain English??

 

I had several liberal friends prior to 2016. I was naïve enough to think that if I just never brought up politics, we could still be friends. Au contraire...TDS was strong enough that they COULDN'T STAND just talking about something else. I won't be bullied; if they insist on airing their viewpoint, then I will also air mine. That was, apparently, unacceptable, so I lost friends. It's too bad. But, honestly I don't miss them that much.

 

It is really about attitudes toward government and freedom. The left tends to see solutions in government and right seems to see problems. The left tends to be willing to trade freedom for security while the right tends to be willing to trade security for freedom. There are a lot of details, of course, but think government and freedom are at the root of most of it.

 

The last big freedoms to be taken by gov't was the Patriot Act. Pushed hard by the right.
And it allowed spying on citizens without a warrant. Of which there's been complaining about that, but every president since Bush has renewed the sunset clause in the law. Including trump who whined about being spied upon.

I remember the big stink over healthcare and the ACA, aka obamacare, For 8 yrs all the R's could talk about is repeal and replace when the get control.
I've never seen the replace plan, but when they got control, they could NOT repeal, so there was no replace.
And now, it's a dead issue.

2 parties, same result in the end.

 

I'll spare you the retort. No point in engaging in battling complaint lists. I do agree with you on the patriot act. Not so much on Obamacare.

 

Well that question requires a 10,000 word thesis. However, in short, Marxism is a political activism that tries with violence accepted and often considered necessary (though Marx personally prescribed violence only for a while) to rid a society of its past and heritage to take total new political power and dictate how each person is to act for the so-called good of the community. It maintains its centralized power through education (also key to obtaining that power in the first place), its absolute control over the economy and all production, the raising of children, and such. Centralized absolute political power is the key to Marxism as the only way to insure that everybody behaves as the Marxists say (know) they must in order to reach the impossible nirvana promised.

 

I think that social media has played a big part too. It has become a self reinforcing echo chamber of misinformation............ Algorithms are designed to foster extremism ......Social media has become too influential........in some ways..........and together with the left / right angst.........is contributing to the deterioration of democracy.

Toxic lies of one person has infected the nation...........to a pathological degree. and accentuated the angst and polarization. This person has made unacceptable behavior acceptable in some minds. This personality is the personification of division.........and mutual 'hatred".. between groups. The left vs Right existed before.....but not to the extreme levels it exists now........and it is being fueled ............

If people cannot handle their emotions , attitudes, and behavior effectively.........maybe they can't handle democracy.........and that makes a situation ripe for a strongman type to take over.........

 

I don't hate the Right, I simply reject their illegitimate attempts to control others.

 

if we want to stop socialism, we have to stop greedy Corporatism as it's killing Capitalism

we have to address excessive foreign outsourcing, excessive foreign Imports and soon.... Artificial intelligence

cause the reality is, if the majority can't make a decent living... socialism will come to be

 

I think it all boils down to bias driven hypocrisy. Watching partisans debate will follow a predictable pattern. Lots of accusations with few to no incriminating admittances.

 

yes, I had a few Trump supporters in my life with TDS too, sucks

eventually this will all be behind us, but people have to start accepting reality first, then the healing can begin

 

I agree with all you've said about social media, but I'm afraid that the problem is much deeper that people are getting their information from it.

 

"Example"? You can't define it?

I am not surprised that right wingers don't even know what Marxism is.

I have seen this happen. People hate a word, but they don't actually understand what it means. So it can hit them without them even knowing. I have seen this specifically with Marxism, BTW. People who went from extreme right anti-communism to defending Marxist-communist positions because they just didn't know what it was to begin with.

And I am fearful of this. In this country, many Trump followers defend tactics and ideology that existed in, for example, Venezuela. And they aren't aware of it.

It's amazing how the human mind works!

 

Let me stop you right there. First of all, that is not only not true but dangerous. Many country have slipped into communism without violence. And many dictatorships that are not communist have been installed WITH violence. So this does not define anything.

"Definition" means to explain what makes a concept different from other concepts. Nothing you have stated defines Marxism. You are defining "dictatorship". Not Marxism. What regime in the world or in history has ever claimed not to be acting for the good of the community? What dictatorship does not exert power over the economy and all production?

Nothing that you have stated defines Marxism. They are tactics that have been used by some communist countries (in varying ways). But they are more or less the same for any type of dictatorship. Right or left. They have been used by the Taliban, by Mussolini, by Hitler, Francisco Franco, Pinochet.... just about all right wing dictatorships, as well as those on the left. You have not defined Marxism. i.e., describe what makes Marxism different from other political systems. Youi have simply described dictatorships in general.

The one thing that defines Marxism is the struggle to overturn capitalism How that is done completely varies from one attempt to implement it to another. There is no set way. Even though it's not possible without a dictatorship. Though it has been attempted... and it failed (Chile). But if you are saying that the left is Marxist, you would need to show evidence that anybody on the left has attempted to undermine democracy and that it has tried to overturn capitalism.

The right is attempting the former right now. By trying to overturn the results of legitimate elections. By not conceding. By implementing laws that make it easier for bureaucrats or courts or.... any group other than voters, to define who governs us. But, regardless of whether you agree or not that the right is doing that, the left is NOT. So you are left with the requirement to demonstrate that the left has "fostered" overturning capitalism. And you have not.

So this is where we are....

 

LOL. Yeah, they are ridiculous for firing unvaccinated people from their jobs and forcing people to wear masks and get vaccinated. Oh, wait a minute. That would be Democrats trying to control others.

 

I agree crony capitalism is almost as bad as socialism, but they are two completely different, unrelated, and separate things. If the majority can't make a decent living under capitalism, they won't make anywhere near a decent living under socialism.