What You Want to See from Governing Entities Regarding COVID-19

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  1. HockeyDad

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    LoL a disease that is now endemic in the wild deer population and you are talking about eradicating it. What are you going to do, start testing deer? Anybody still talking about eradicating it at this point is in a weird fantasy land. Vaccines have done nothing to stop the spread. Masks have done nothing to stop the spread. Stop creating therapeutics and calling them vaccines. The problem is that there is NO ECONOMIC REASON for the big pharma to develop a real vaccine. If they did that, the disease would be eradicated and their money flow would end. There is an ECONOMIC REASON for them to develop half-assed therapeutics that do not stop the spread and provide some benefit to the most aged and sickly. Every round of boosters is billions of dollars of more sales for them. They can keep making shots every 6 months and their bought and paid for politicians can force them on the people.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/covid-rampant-deer-research-shows-rcna10181

    Japan's death rate is 1/10th of ours. They had no mask mandates. They had no vaccine mandates. They had no lockdown. The lesson to learn is simple..... FAT IS FATAL. Japan is perhaps the fittest nation on the planet. If you want to save millions of America from Covid complications..... get them out of the house and regularly exercising. Instead of vaccination status shaming.... bring back fat shaming.


    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2021-07-29/obesity-covid-19-ted-hilton

    At this point, pretending that vaccines are a better protection against Covid than fitness is an exercise in data denial. We are in the midst of a fat genocide. The sooner this message gets out, the sooner we can progress to a fit future.
     
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    My goodness!
    No wonder some Americans are upset about government interference!
    Your processes are FAR and AWAY more stringent than ours.
    I would suggest that someone is making a neat pile of money making the testing so involved.
     
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    it is like a wild fire.

    dropping an aircraft full of water on the fire will not put it out.

    cutting fire brakes and setting back fires won't put it out.

    fire trucks and men beating it with shovels won't put it out.

    but of you do all of that and get a favorable wind, maybe the fire will burn out before it does more damage.

    if you do nothing? expect nothing.

    sorry joe, but i grew up in america, where we work together to accomplish things like beating the nazis and walking on the moon, not this weird aynrandian dystopia where banks are bailed out so that they can evict families from their homes and deadly diseases are welcomed in and spread.
     
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    maybe masks, vaccines, quarantines, etc work better when everyone works together and does it, rather than bitching about how impossible it is to do anything.

    but your most cogent statement is that

    "There is an ECONOMIC REASON for them to develop half-assed therapeutics that do not stop the spread and provide some benefit to the most aged and sickly."

    if this virus was developed in a chinese bio warfare lab they certainly hit us in a very vulnerable location, one that our society and economic system seem incapable of overcoming. a virus that our very constitution (as interpreted by this court anyway) prevents us from addressing in any rational way. .
     
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    I would like to see governments admit they were wrong, but that's not at all likely.

    I would like them to acknowledge the facts, that Ivermectin, HCQ and a variety of others used by the America's Frontline Doctors and other physicians like Pierre Kory who practice early treatment are effective.

    I would like them to admit they have violated constitutional governance, and plundered the US Treasury by way of the CARES Act.
     
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    Than why is it spreading in China where they nail people into their house and let them starve? Like it or not, bub neither you or the government can control everything and trying to makes things worse not better.
    If taken soon enough it works so do a lot of things none of which you'll be informed about as long Joe's big pharma buddies can continue pushing a vaccine that's .maybe thirty percent effect and is less bothersome than the flu for people under thirty.
     
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    I want the feds to legalize marijuana and allow it to be used as a covid deterrent med...
    Cannabis compounds blocked COVID-19 infection in laboratory study
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/co...ounds-blocked-COVID-infection-in-16773314.php
     
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    What You Want to See from Governing Entities Regarding COVID-19

    That is easy. Nothing. Government hasn't done anything right about covid except for speeding approval of vaccines. Hopefully government will stay out of the next pandemic and leave it to the people who practice medicine.
     
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    I think the answer is also broader than the pandemic, it applies to everything going on- and wrong- in government today.
    That centers around credibility, honesty and building the trust that a good government and it's people need between them.

    The pandemic has been used as a political tool- and opportunity. That means it's been used to manipulate people and gain power, and to do that they have manipulated data and the interpretation of data. They have silenced conflicting views, and pushed their own agenda- even though it's like swiss cheese, but worse. It's got plenty of holes, but the parts that aren't holes are often made up of substantial distortion.

    I think that the public would be much more on board- IF the government and medical voices were being straight. For example, when the data and knowledge are not definitive, simply say- "We don't know that yet; here's what we think is most probable." Trust can't be ordered- it must be earned. I don't think they understand that today, nor know how to go about it.

    Lies and misdirection are not leadership and they won't gain solid support. If anything, the pandemic has been so poorly handled both from the medical aspects and the economic impacts, I believe the
    mismanagement is producing more damage to the nation than the pandemic itself.
     
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    Because the UK government is in terrible trouble (another subject) it is offering to remove all restrictions on public movement and behaviour.
    We shall see in 4 months whether that is the right thing to do.
    Watch this space.
     
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    Right now? I think rather than waiting two weeks to receive tests ordered through the CDC that they should turn the distribution of tests over to Amazon. They are the best package delivery service available.

    And the CDC should have a posting with a decision tree explaining how to use over the counter treatments to handle COVID at home.

    Include info on how to monitor fluid and calorie intake, temperature, and what over the counter supplements may be helpful.

    This isn't helping: America has gone from Operation Warp Speed to Biden’s Snail Speed on COVID tests.
     
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    I know several people just in my circle who have had it multiple times, and some that are on their third round. Some were vaxxed some weren't, and the vaxxed certainly tended to have an easier time, but only comparatively, several were still damn sick. And of course others just blew right through it, but, the point is, Vaxxed Immunity, or Natural Immunity, or even a combo of vaxxed and natural, they still caught it again. It doesn't look to me like immunity is an option, though pre-treatment with the mRNA shots looks like a very good idea. We should certainly keep vaccines available for those that want them, but what we really need right now are effective treatment options, and get in shape. Excess body weight is a real hazard with COVID.

    Back to topic, and it's an excellent one: The Congress just told Biden, "tell us what you need in funding and appropriation and we'll give it to you." It would be nice if the State Legislatures did the same.

    We need straight communication.
    We need an end to the Us/Them crap.
    When this started we were all in this together, voluntarily sacrificing to protect the most vulnerable. I'd like to see us get back to that.
     
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    You can't beat it or control it any more than the common flu. Its a virus that has no cure and eventually, everyone on the planet will have it.
    So you have two choices.

    1. Have the virus and deal with it

    2. Have the virus and deal with it while destroying the economy and putting people out of work,
     
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    That you think the deplorables are why Biden has killed more people with COVID than Trump might be a premise you want to think about awhile....
     
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    I think the government should stop vaccine mandates for all, fund research for better vaccines and ramp up production of treatment, like monoclonal antibodies or Pixlovid (sorry, Merck’s pills just seem to much of a risk).
    Many people are freaked out by vaccines using new platforms. If the goal is to really address people’s fears and still increase vaccination then I believe we need to develop a traditional vaccine based on inactivated virus.
    Naturally acquired immunity should be treated like naturally acquired immunity for other infectious diseases - they minimize the consequences and severity of subsequent infections.
    Reopen all schools, ban covid vaccine mandates and mask mandates for children. If teacher unions want masks, they can put them on their own faces.
    Ban rationing of treatment.
    Treat covid like any other disease - someone gets sick, they get treatment, done.
     
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    Wow.
     
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    biden has killed more people than trump? did they teach arithmetic in your school?
     
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    End the partisanship. Abandon loyalty to party and become loyal to a United America. Work at increasing public trust in our scientists. In other words I want the impossible.
     
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    Fauci got damn near everything wrong from the beginning.

    You will note snopes did not bother to actually quote trump on the subject. Had they done so you would have seen that the claim is at best specious more and more nearly dubious. The actual statement by Trump doesn't even use the word inject. He simply asked during a discussion of various ways of mitigating the spread if maybe something in that information might lead to a cure. Bleach was not the only thing mention by any stretch of the immagination
     
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    1 keep work from home from those who can do it. Not only is it safer but it helps our carbon footprint as well
    2 no vaccine mandates. It doesn’t really stop the spread or catching it and if those people want to deal with worse symptoms if/when they do get covid, that’s on them
    3 temperature checks at stores and restaurants. They have the fancy gun thermometers that take an extra second
     
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    The government is giving Fauci a $350,000 annual retirement pension for getting everything wrong....
    And I still question if the Covid wasn't the product of "Gain of function" experiments which some reports say were given to the Wuhan lab with the approval and funding of an agency (NIH) Fauci was connected to.
    The full details and facts around this situation are not clear, thanks to dodging and evasion by the agencies and politicians. Transparency? They don't recognize the word, but they think you should trust everything they say- until they say something different. Then trust that. Right.
     
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    Precisely.
    What we are seeing is the end game of the collapse of an anti constitutional bureaucratic mess into a welter of Institutional incompetence, cya, in an attempt to conceal that incompetence and at last a failure to accept their own limitations.
     
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    @Meta777 Encourage vaccination and keep it free of charge.

    End vaccination mandates in the workplace.

    End mandatory masking except in certain specific venues, such as assisted care facilities and medical facilities.

    End all incentives not to work, such as the ban on eviction for nonpayment of rent or extensions of unemployment benefits.

    Open schools and keep them open. If a school experiences a large outbreak, allow for a two week pause and then reopen.

    End mandatory masking for airline travel.

    Replace Fauci. Surely he is not the only expert. I would prefer to see him replaced with a panel of equals (about 5). They should all be vetted for conflicts of interest.

    No aspect of government action should be race based.

    The federal government should do what it’s good at - providing information and providing funding for vaccinations. The federal government should leave everything else to the states.

    Seth
     
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    Seth, great ideas, but you are not on track here. You're looking to fix things; that doesn't fit in their agenda. If we could simply point our the obvious and get corrections, it would have been done.
    Think we're going to need a bigger hammer.
     
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