Michigan Democrats criticized after dismissing parents' role in public education

Sure sounds like they are attacking the idea of having someone else's parents decide how to raise them.

How would parents control what it taught in school, when every parent might want something different? A vote maybe? If you lose the vote, then someone elses parent will decide how to raise your kid.

Since when did parents decide what should be taught? Sounds like a recipe for disaster when different demographics would have totally different approach.

 

Except that, from what I'm reading, CRT is not being taught in K-12 schools. It is, however, part of some college and university curriculae.

 

I support the voucher system. This state is pushing that and I bet they get it. This will allow parents to have more of a choice.

 

Oh sure. Some people also came up with the idea to need electricity indoors. It takes a certified electrician these days to know what needs to be done.

I would indeed have a massive problem if my dentist is a meth head who just happen to have a kid and not somebody who is certified. But not you.

I do care that such insane people have an influence what is taught on public schools.

 

Depends on what you believe. The idea it’s not being taught is skipping over the ways that CRT has informed programs and materials and teacher training.

This obviously is not the only issue as well. Parents are also worried about pornography in books. LGBTQ and every other letter in the alphabet movement is pushing these books that show young kids performing sex acts on adults in one.

remember that parents have had to answer questions from their kids about their race because of these teachers making white kids feel ashamed. They didn’t pull those questions from thin air. Some kids in some schools have even been segregated. This is not a made up argument.

 

Are the kkk teaching anything in schools? Absolutely not, but racist people against whites are.

the dentist argument is absurd. You can choose your dentist for one, secondly a kid has nothing to do with the practice of dentistry.

you’re literally blowing off parents as if they’re not part of society and have no say in what kids are taught. Why are they not part of society? Why do they not matter in their local school issues?

 

The points is you are pushing the idea that they, as parents, get to have influence in schools.

Your argument that a certified person is not better then somebody who doesn't have such papers is absurd.

Indeed. Because even retards, meth heads, and KKK members, can be parents.

 

What ideal are kkk members pushing out schools? Are they pushing books with pornography? Nope, that’s the LGBTQ people.

are pushing schools to teach racism? Nope that’s the CRT advocates.

show me one example as of recent that these people you deem as lessers trying to teach kids these concepts.

What makes it absurd? Tell me what qualifies them to make better decisions on what kids learn socially? What are they taught on a social level that outweighs a parents years of physical experience socially taking part of our society?

 

If the GOP isn't pushing for vouchers large enough for average folks to send their children to decent private schools without having to top up the voucher with money they don't have, they will be dealing with government-run schools well into the future.

@Joe knows doesn't know and is propagandizing the forum with extreme rightwing BS.

Your attack on teachers is noted.

You figure this works as political rhetoric? Parents "know what's best" to teach calculus, Spanish, chemistry, physics, computer science and history? (They don't.)

What they do know is their child and they should be prepared, as they are, to work with teachers on how their child can best go about learning the curriculum. The state government sets the curriculum, not teachers or parents.

Who should set the curriculum-—the state government (often Republicans!) working with parents, teachers, and university faculties—or self-appointed far right agitators?

 

They do. Find me one parent that doesn’t want their kid to learn any of these. In fact this what these parents want their kids to learn what they don’t want their kids to learn is the social cues the Dems have in mind for them. It has nothing to do with what you mentioned.

 

And then you have teachers who think the schools should not offer advanced math classes because not enough lack kids take them.

Do you agree with that?

 

Parents don't always know what is best for the country, but we still allow them to vote.

When I was working my way through grad school I supported myself by doing other students homework. One of my clients was studying for a masters degree in education specializing in teaching reading. The woman could barely read herself. She would stumble over four syllable words when reading the assignments to me over the telephone. She got her degree.

If you are going to be an elitist at least pick an elite to champion. Public school teachers are mediocrities.

Perhaps she worked in the Baltimore public schools.

In Maryland, the reading scores among fourth graders droppedfive points in the past year – down to just 35 percent “proficiency.” And theydropped two points among eighth graders – down to just 36 percent.

In the city, though, the numbers read like suicide notes forthe future.

Just 13 percent of Baltimore fourth graders and 15 percentof eighth graders made the grade in reading. Nationwide, the city ranks aheadof Milwaukee and Detroit. And no one else.

https://jmoreliving.com/2019/11/01/baltimores-reading-scores-are-a-national-disgrace/

Just to whom do you think the public schools should be accountable, if not the parents who have the greatest stake?

 

When it comes to math, teach math.
When it comes to science ,teach science
When it comes to government, history, teach the facts. If the facts are disputable, teach all viewpoints.
Teach how to think, not what to think.
There is no elite that has all the answers to life . Social engineering is not a job of the public school system.
That is all we are asking. We teach our kids their values at an early age. It is our God given prerogative. When they are older, it is up to them.

 

And the state of California is removing advanced classes from the curriculum in the name of equity. Parents don't like it.

The answer is simple: school vouchers. Let the parents choose the school they want. It should not be an option for the elite only.

 

Private schools are for the elite because of severe shortage of really good teachers. It hasn't helped that Republicans have vilified the profession for the last 20 years,
and that they cut teacher salaries at every opportunity. If we give vouchers, the private schools will just raise tuition to compensate and it will once again
be the playground of the rich.

 

OK, I guess we have to give up. What do I care, anyway. My kids got to go to NYC's Brooklyn tech and are very successful. Who cares if the exam schools are shutdown because not enough blacks get in? Well other than the Asian moms who are crackheads anyway according to you.

It is much more important to make sure White and Asian kids don't outperform black kids because, you know, equity. So we have got to cut out all those advanced classes because,you know, systemic racism.

So all you Progressives go ahead. Make school board meetings closed to the public and keep all those inbred drooling crackheads out. Me and my kids are out. I don't care anymore.

 

I was talking about how best to teach "calculus, Spanish, chemistry, physics, computer science and history."

What are these "social cues" you're talking about? How to behave themselves in class? The lack of discipline in schools is caused by school administrators, not teachers or teachers' unions.

I love the debate going on about schools right now. Everyone is suddenly so worried about students' mental health they're sending them to crowded schools unvaccinated. If teachers had any balls they would say they're going to walk if all students, all staff and all visitors aren't fully vaccinated, and students aren't wearing N95 or better masks. They should tell parents they're not going to be part of spreading covid.

My niece is principal of an Oregon middle school. 25% of her staff and 40% of the students are away. How many of these kids will develop long covid?

They could have taken another month at home and added the month in June.





Ask yourself why the Chicago mayor could wait 30 days. Case numbers are dropping like stone.



Few will die, of course, but some may end up with long-term health problems.

 

Find me one parent who is telling teachers how to teach any of these excluding CRT in history.

 

Social cues as in defeating kids by race in school, telling kids how to socially react to different skin colors, telling kids that being gay is okay, telling girls that boys can go into their bathroom so long as they dress the same, things of that nature is not and should not be up to a school but to the community

 

I would be interested in hearing the rationale, but my initial reaction is negative.

The answer is straightforward, but it isn't simple. A voucher system could fail if, for example, we have no school willing to pick up students with emotional or learning problems. We shouldn't ignore the sorts of concerns.

 

Therational is that blacks and women don't do well.

But as it trurns out a rabblr of drug addicted, inbred right-wing extremestz, in the guise of prominent mathematicians and scientists have terrorized the California educators into retreating. Your side loses.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-math-curriculum-equity-pushed-back

But the plan has only been delayed. The wokesters will try again.

My God, this country is so fcked!

 

What is "defeating kids by race" mean?

Tricky given the baggage kids bring to school, but some parameters can be communicated to students and then all students treated as equals.

Homosexuality in a reality.

Let individual school districts and schools deal with who goes where.

How does a community run a school from the outside? As it is, school districts are headed by elected school boards.

For government-run schools, the problem comes when parents with generally more liberal views want their school to operate one way and mostly older voters push ideas like yours.

 

Women don't do well? Girls are running rings around boys in school.

 

gw

I am justreporting what the wokesters are claiming. Do you have any comment on the article?

 

They potentially can. And so that's a problem.

I am aware that conservative Christians want books banned about the LBTQ. That too is a problem for public school.

I am responding to your idea of "Parents know what’s best for their kids, I will never waiver on that point.".
Your point is rather idiotic. Literally a total retard can be a parent, who hardly knows what is best for itself.
So why should I dig up examples, when I gave plenty how parents are not capable just because they are parents?

They are qualified because they learned the trade. Parents rely to what they found on yutup or tiktok, or at best what they figured out on their own through a trial and error proces on their kids, being unaware that there might be something even better. And your random voice of such a parent is as much worth as the opinion of a retard who just happens to be a parent too. And that's why pushing through their opinion should be very limited.