Why the Right and Left hate each other

I never said violence is a requirement for marxism; I said violence is acceptable to marxism and was predicted by Marx, at least early in the revolution. The fact that other systems of government use the same tactic as prescribed by Marx and neo-Marxists says nothing. People can follow marxist tenets predominately yet not call themselves marxist, believe and claim they are not marxist, have never read Marx or Engels or any other of a number of classic marxist educators and trainers, and maybe cannot even spell Marx.

Marxism, at least in the end game is different because it openly asserts that the people must succumb and be completely subservient to the state, and accept only those rights that the state allows in order to arrive at a just and equal society where everyone consistently conforms, though many dictatorships and monarchies do near the same.

Marxism, under a different name, has been fostered in America since the around the 1920s, made good progress in the 1920s, under FDR, and some under LBJ. Then after 70 years of gradual up and down progress, mostly due to the left and Democrats but wittingly or unwittingly abetted by the right and Republicans, it got on steroids with the election of Obama -- an undeclared solid marxist and proclaimed anti-Constitutionalist -- and, with the in-bed help of a solid media, made great progress. Enough so that the left (again without explicitly tying itself to "Marxism") felt embolden enough to stomp all over the Constitution with the drive to remove Trump from office. Of late they have entertained violence with BLM and antifa, worked openly to get rid of local police, under the guise of COVID destroyed much private capitalistic business property, made workers more dependent on government, paid little attention to people's rights, trampled on the 1st, 4th, 5th, 10th (though this has been going on for a long time), 12th, and 14th amendments and other parts of the Constitution and tore down statutes as part of the destruction of the past and heritage, introduced CRT and made great inroads into central control of education (building on Bush 43's progress), etc. All of this they did without ever mentioning the word Marx, maybe not even thinking they were being marxists, but nonetheless using Marx tactics straight out of the manual, whether they read the manual or not.

 

It's not a matter of hating the people- but of hating the destruction they bring about. Basically, conservatives believe you are responsible for yourself. Liberals believe other people are responsible for the ills of their lives and even their feeling- so the world should change so they don't get their feelings hurt. That is insane as well as wrong and impossible, but the way the act makes it clear that is way they think.

The least burden for society is for each person to be responsible for one person; and that person is yourself. You handle the benefits or costs of your own decisions. When you try to make the whole world accountable for things you feel and need, you burden everyone with something they have no real control over and that is absolutely unfair- and worse than unfair. Absolutely beneath an honorable persons conduct.

No man is free or independent or secure so long as he rejects personal responsibility. How some can live with that is beyond me.

 

So denying the reality that what other people do can and does affect you.

 

You seem to believe you are smarter than anyone else. That may be why you rub people the wrong way.

Several posters on this thread have pretty much given the definition that you seek. As for me, I have tried ad nauseum to define this administration and have come to the conclusion that it may be more fascist than Marxist. If it makes you feel any better...

 

That's not true; Progressives believe that there should be a social safety net for people when the fall on hard times. Republicans believe, unless you're part of the super rich, if you fall on hard times you can eat **** and die for all they care.

 

I don't hate anyone and can respect any belief up to the point of forcing it on others. Both sides do that. Of my 5 kids, 2 are Democrats. (The other 3 moved out and are on their own!)

 

That is false. Republicans are more generous than dems when it comes to helping the less fortunate. Both support safety nets. One side wants the net to have some bounce while the other wants it to be a hammock.

 

I haven't seen much from Republican's toward support, every time it comes up Republicans resist and cut.

 

I grew up on food stamps and know what government cheese tastes like. Most families in my neighborhood were on government assistance. The girls still found money for nice hair, nails, and clothes and the boys always found money for expensive shoes. Their parents always had nice clothes, furniture, and big screen TVs.

The need for welfare should decrease over time.

 

Nothing here answers the question "what IS Marxism" And this is my point: the right simply ascribes the label "Marxism" to anything they don't like. They don't like CRT "that's Marxism". They don't like the fight for minority rights, "that's Marxism". Well... NONE of that is Marxism. Not even close....

I'm sure if you asked a Marxist about civil rights or human rights in general, most of them might SAY they are in favor. But history has shown us that these are in NO way a major concern to Marxists. Nor did Marx himself show any particular concern for these issues. So it's clear that this is just propaganda.

No extremist philosophy has any concern for civil rights. Not Marxism on the extreme left, not Fascism on the extreme right. Civil rights, CRT, BLM... are a concern EXCLUSIVELY on the middle of the political spectrum. But, of course, the extreme right will say that Civil Rights are Marxism, and the extreme left will say they are Fascism.

 

Because you hate alternatives. We never had that until the two you mention.

 

You're missing or obfuscating the point.

I hate the lies and divisiveness RW Media has created in OUR country.

 

Perhaps you should replace the words "civil rights" with the words "individual rights".....then we would be on to something. But you ignore those words. They are opposed to the collectivist rule of globalists and Marxists that you seem most likely to entertain. CRT and BLM are devises desiring to tear down our structures of representative government where local government has a say. You call them "civil rights" because to you it sounds good. BLM attacks the family structure which is the building block of our nation that insures the rights of "individuals". CRT wants to completely undermine anything proposed by our "white founders" regardless of it's success in guaranteeing our "individual liberty". Why the left and right hate each other can be defined thusly..... Individual liberty requires Individual Responsibility. The right embraces both of those. The left hates the responsibility part and that is why they prefer the collective as a cover up. Now some on the left have a desire for citizens to trade in their "individual liberty" for a perceived security merely so they can centralize and consolidate power. They desire to be the ones that wield that power because they see themselves as the "superior elite!"

 

You fail to address the lies we get from the left wing media that has dominated for decades. As I said, I believe you hate an alternative view point. Ideally we would have real news that reports and lets viewers decide. We don't seem to really have that so we need to hear doth sides and decide what is true for ourselves. You just don't want the opposition. That's all.

 

The left can never understand this.......

 

Why would I do that? The rights that all individual have are only limited (and should only be limited) by the rights of other individuals.

In any case, my point is that right-wingers use the word "Marxism" loosely to refer to any idea they don't like without even bothering to contemplate what it actually means. And those who do this do it because they are unable to debate the ideas themselves on the merits.

Your post proves my point.

What nonsense!

BLM wants cops to stop disproportionately shooting or killing people just because they're black!

 

BLM does a whole lot more than just that! Civil Rights always pits one class against the other. It is collectivist in nature and that fits in well with Marxist philosophy. If we were to really zone in on "Individual Rights" we would see people as souls who all bleed red and their intrinsic value as individuals. Class warfare will never succeed!

 

Who is the "Left"? RW Media created "the Left" for you to hate and divide U.S.

I have no problem with "limited government". I have a problem with the "right" making government so anemic it can't do it's job.

You couldn't find a better spokesperson than Rand Pall?

 

I hate some on the right and the left for their authoritarian ideals which are ruining this country.

 

The left would be anyone who favors socialism over capitalism.

The great divide between the right and left is an outcome created when too many Americans hate and won't tolerate socialism or capitalism...

The great divide is an indication of the massive amounts of Americans who're authoritarian. Our country can't function with all the authoritarians voting and participating in it.

 

We have been undermining the rights of individuals since the New Deal. Total nonsense you spout about RW media creating them. The left would confiscate our 2nd amendment rights as well as our property for redistribution and you know that! Conservatives are the ONLY thing that has kept them in check! Since we have a voice now, it infuriates you!

 

Then why does "the right" insist on waging it?

 

THAT is Marxist nonsense. No! Classes have nothing to do with Civil Rights. A black capitalist is just as afraid as any other of being shot at a traffic stop by a working class cop. But a Marxist today might say what you said. So you are the only one here sponsoring Marxist talking points. And the worst part is that you don't even realize it. Which makes you particularly vulnerable to becoming a Marxist. IF anybody where still trying to convert people to Marxism, like they did in the 60s. Fortunately for you, there aren't that many. Otherwise you would have been low hanging fruit for them.

 

Which is just chapter and verse "right" hate. No Americans favor socialism over capitalism. The America Donald Judas tRump is againing about was an America that had a strong social safety net that helped hard working Americans through hard times. Social programs are not "socialism", if they were there would be a mud trail out in front of your house.

 

Baloney!