House Dems pass NASA bill sending voting rights to certain Senate end

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    right, but the ex-felon can not live in the house with the gun, the catch 22
     
  2. Par10

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    I'm registered as independent but I'll answer for my own view.
    • Same-day voter registration: Does not give enough time to validate the registration. Unless you want a provision to not count votes for a couple of weeks.
    • No-excuse mail voting. I don't have a problem with this. I am against mailing out ballots to everyone even if they didn't ask.
    • Allowing felons who have served their time the ability to vote. Sure. They served their time. They should get their right to own guns back also unless you want to pick and choose what rights they need to get back.
    • Require super PACs and so-called “dark money groups” to disclose all donors who contribute more than $10,000. I think that all money needs to be disclosed and all PAC money needs to be limited to $2000 per candidate.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish the congress critters could do this.
    One side introduces legislation, the other side say we agree with 90% of this but we would like a few additional items in exchange for an additional 5%.

    They negotiate and pass a bill that actually fixes problems.
     
  4. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I exercise my right to buy a gun. Oh, I forgot to add a voter thumbprint.
     
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such a dishonest comparison. These rights were stripped from those individuals due to abuse

    Guns from violent felons
    Children from pedophiles
    Victims from rapists

    If you want an equal comparison you would say voting from people that have engaged in voter fraud.

    So again, why should felons not be allowed to vote? Does being around voting machines cause them to have increased levels of recidivism?

    I can see why you ignored the rest of my post with logic like that.
     
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  6. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    So what your saying is you’re not concerned over rights, you’re concerned over a political agenda
     
  7. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    Democrats gerrymander the SH*T out of many of the states they control. Trying to pretend it's something exclusive to the G.O.P. just costs you credibility. Any reasonably intelligent person knows both sides engage in gerrymandering when they can.
     
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    Same day voter registration could absolutely be verified in a day. We have systems that can check databases across all 50 states in seconds.

    I agree mailing out ballots is stupid but not due to security issues but rather due to waste. We could send out email or text requests.

    I have no issues with felons receiving all of their rights back, while we are at it we need major criminal justice reform so that we have fewer felons in the first place and violent ones do not get early release.

    I agree with your last point
     
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  9. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One side does it to such an extent that their own parties judges strike them out.

    They both absolutely do it but calling someone that steals an apple as equal to someone that robs a bank is intellectually dishonest.
     
  10. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I am saying the argument is lazy and incompetent

    I support all rights being restored to felons

    People committing sex crimes should be castrated or executed. People committing gun crimes should be held until they have gone through proper treatment or not released.

    I know it is difficult to defend your BS but playing like you can play psychic just makes it look even worse.
     
  11. Joe knows

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    I can agree with this all day long.
     
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    As it stands today there are only 11 states that indefinitely take voting rights from felons. There are 2 states and the District of Columbia that give them voting rights even during incarceration, and there are 21 states that give voting rights back immediately upon release. 16 states lose their voting rights and for a period of time after release. Usually until after probationary measures.

    so which do you support? The 16 states, the 2 states and DC, the 21 states, or the 11 states?
     
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    In the case of gerrymandering, both sides are robbing banks every chance they get.

    ETA: This is not stealing an apple. This is an example of robbing a bank:

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    And that goes for women that falsely accuse men of sex crimes.
     
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    While we're at it, I don't believe any results should be disclosed to the media until polls have closed in Hawaii and all primaries should be on the same day.
     
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    I don’t see that right in there
     
  17. Doofenshmirtz

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    Its there unless arms appear out of thin air. BTW, I have to do the same if I were to manufacture my own. Please tall us more about how you want to make it easier for people to exercise their rights!
     
  18. DentalFloss

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    I don't care. The truth is the truth even if it's edited or hidden, and that statement applies to things far beyond some thread on an anonymous internet forum. Most of us are here because we're political junkies who like to argue, but the reality is we're just wasting our own (and others) time. That's perfectly OK, it's entertaining, and there is nothing wrong with wasting time on entertainment, but if anyone seriously thinks what we do here makes any real difference, or changes any minds, at least not in any significant or meaningful levels, is fooling themselves. But don't lecture me.

    I'm not afraid of it, I just think at this point, on this topic, it's a horse that has already been dead for months. We know where Sinema stands, we know where Manchin stands, and we can add up the votes without even bothering to have a vote. And I don't think that putting anyone "on the record" with some pointless official vote on the question of the filibuster is going to help or hurt anyone politically any more than they've already been helped or hurt. We've HAD the debate, it's just been mostly done in the press, but it's been like a football game that was 75-0 since mid-way through the 1st Quarter.

    But if it will get everyone to shut the hell up about it, by all means, have a vote and get it over with. I'm tired of hearing about the whole mess.

    Having said all that and looking well beyond this one vote on this one issue, I am extremely disturbed that gutting a previously voted on bill and substitution the language of a different, completely unrelated one to "get around" the complicated Senate rules (or for any other reason) is even hypothetically possible. That it is is a loophole that needs to be changed, and that the Democrats would take advantage of it is sickening to me. And if the Republicans ever do it (or have done it that I'm not aware of), I'd call them out for it too. It's nothing but trickery, and if it were done (or HAS been done) on a less highly visible or controversial bill and issue, it's completely possible to get it passed simply because the title sounds like a no brainer to the point that even bothering to read the bill itself is pointless. Just pass it and move on.

    I couldn't possibly disagree more. First, a democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner. We are not one, very much on purpose, and for many good reasons. Not every bill that squeaks out of the House with a 50%+1 majority is a good idea, and I am a definite fan of super-majorities for certain things, like Senate votes, changes to the Constitution (that require 2/3rds of Congress to approve, and after THAT, then getting 3/4ths of the States to agree).

    I mean, give me a break with things like checking the ID of voters to make sure they are who claim they are. Ditto for requiring documentation of Citizenship for registering to vote. Those are not difficult to accomplish, and the ONLY reason to oppose the idea is because it provides 2 easy ways to cheat. Unsupervised drop-off boxes make it possible for people to cross reference things like death certificates and voter registration info, which is public info in many states, and drop off 10 ballots of deceased persons without anyone raising the question of why Johnny Votecheater is dropping off 10 ballots, all in his handwriting, and all identical. Ballot harvesting makes it possible to manipulate people who are otherwise too lazy or apathetic to vote when they otherwise wouldn't have. And maybe you even "helping" them fill out their ballots in the process. I don't want the voices of people who really don't know or care who or what it is they're voting for to be heard, even if they're on "my" team. (And I don't really have a team, I know this particular post and thread makes me sound like a right wing Trump loving Republican, but I'm not. On certain topics, especially on social issues, I'm completely with the dems, or even further to the left than they are, for example I'm a strong proponent of legalizing basically ALL drugs.

    But I DO think the Senate's role as a slower, more deliberative, more bipartisan body is important, and should be maintained. And most Dems will probably agree with me after the Midterms when they're no longer the majority party.
     
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    I do not support ever taking anyones right to vote away especially under the current system. People are given felonies for crimes that shouldn’t be charged as such while allowing others to go free after they kill several people while under the influence because they are wealthy or well connected.

    Is voting a right or a privilege?
    Do we have any actual rights?
     
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    So you side with DC and the two states that allow incarcerated felons to vote I assume.

    point one… you have no rights in prison. If that’s the case that you think a right should follow you to prison then why not allow protests, walk outs, knives, guns, etc… if you’re incarcerated you have no rights and you should not have them.
     
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    To what extent?

    Do we need to go door to door, providing the pen in order to mark the ballot, bringing to somebody's lounge chair to prevent them from walking to the door?

    Anybody that WANTS to vote.. does.

    This idea that there are hordes of people bot voting because they can't, is really just... they won't. Is it any surprise that these non-voters tend to vote democrat..Democrat? Not at all.

    Fact is.. the democrats push for more and more voting right laws while simultaneously removing protocols to protect elections, even going so far as supporting non-americans voting because it helps them stay in power.

    Maybe you can tell me provisions of the bill that solve an issue?
     
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    I must have all these people on ignore. I didn't see anybody mention him yet. Winning!
     
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    No matter the number of methods we put into place, somebody is always capable of complaining its not easy enough. Agreed?
     
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    Then they are not rights, they are privileges.

    I understand the argument about not allowing some incarcerated individuals the ability to vote, but I do not understand how anyone can support preventing them from doing so after their release.

    Care to tackle any of the other points you ignored?
     
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  25. FreshAir

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    I support the constitution and that punishment happens during sentencing, once the sentence is complete, so is the punishment, longer sentences can be given if needed
     

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