New study - the SARS-CoV-2 persists in the body for months

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're right, many do not understand autophagy

    the high carb heavily processed diet Americans eat are killing them slowly, that is for sure

    Breakfast got the name cause that was when you broke your fast (break fast), people did not evolve to eat 3 high carb meals plus snacks around the clock
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    This one doctor I knew would probably lose his license for this but he's retired so I can tell. He swore by the benefits of a full English country breakfast until his 94th birthday when he had died in his sleep. Two scrambled eggs with ham and cheese. A sausage sandwich, bacon and two coffees. Blood pudding without exception. Equipped a man for an active day in his opinion.
     
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    sounds like a healthy breakfast to me, not a huge glucose spike first thing of the day

    times are changing, used to be a doctor could get in trouble for recommending a low carb diet to someone with diabetes
     
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    They have always recommended carb modified diets and there was a whole movement advocating “Low GI” diets for type two diabetics but insulin dependent diabetics have to be careful and if you have ever seen someone in a true hypoglycaemic coma you would understand
     
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    agree, I was referring to type 2, but your right, Type 1 you do have to be careful as if you give too much insulin for the amount of carb you eat, can take your sugar level too low
     
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    Looks are deceiving, like I've already demonstrated. As for my poor colleagues who let themselves be fooled by this, I can only lament and say that not everybody is well-equipped to issue an opinion, unfortunately. There are dumb and gullible people in all professions, and some evil ones who seek to profit from misinformation too, in all professions.
    Yes, that same one. What's your point? So one of the multiple companies involved in the Pfizer vaccine trials screwed up. So what? This vaccine has already demonstrated its value by being administered to literally billions of people, with success. This ship has sailed. Please, compare the number of real-life field administrations and its excellent results (billions!!!), to some 30,000 people in clinical trials. There is nobody anywhere in the world who doubts that the Pfizer vaccine is effective and safe (exceptions of course do exist for the individual patient, like they do for any medicine and vaccine known to men) regardless of the little letter to Mark Zuckerberg you found fit to link to.

    [Disclosure: I'm not being paid by Pfizer in any way, shape, or form, and I do not own Pfizer stocks]

    Oh, so you didn't know that due to R&D costs, new developments in medical treatments are expensive and remain under patent for a while so that the companies can recover the costs, plus a profit? You don't think these companies need to profit from their efforts? Try to have a world without pharmaceuticals... no more antibiotics, no more vaccines, no more treatments for hypertension, diabetes, etc. etc. Is the fact that most of the developed world is capitalist, escaping you somehow? Did you know that Pfizer waived its patent for Paxlovid for 80 poor and developing countries? Now what? Is Pfizer the big bad wolf you're implying through this comparison of costs? Did you know that both the antibody cocktails and Paxlovid will be free for the end patient in the US (although of course, tax-payer funded which does happen to be a good use of tax-payer money, by the way; I do value the lives of my fellow Americans)?

    Do you think that simply because Ivermectin is an old and cheap drug, its supposed wondrous qualities in the treatment of Covid-19 (which are, er, non-existing) are somehow being suppressed by a vast cabal worldwide? Pffft... Like I said, we've studied many re-purposed drugs and would have been delighted if they worked.

    If that were the case (the vast conspiracy), why was dexamethasone, also an old and cheap drug, one of the first ones being universally approved to treat advanced Covid-19??? Why didn't the vast cabal work to suppress that one too? Could it be, by any chance, because unlike ivermectin, it works?

    Oh, that doesn't fit your narrative so you didn't include Dexamethasone, huh?

    Frankly I'm sick and tired of this kind of thing.

    You guys go and renounce taking ANY medications and vaccines made by ANY pharmaceutical company for the rest of your lives, including your espouses and kids, OK? Once you do that (with predictably disastrous results) come back to me and publish another silly list of costs, OK? Until then, please leave me alone.

    PS. Oh, and if God forbid you or a loved one catch a bad case of Covid-19, make sure to tell the good and up-to-date evidence-based doctor who will offer you Paxlovid, that you don't want something the big bad wolf Big Pharma is pumping out, and you'll prefer to get treated with ivermectin instead, OK? If you're not prepared to do that, then again, leave me alone.

    [And before you say you struck a nerve, yeah, I'm sick and tired of all the BS misinformation and of stupid ivermectin, which is now the successor of stupid hydroxychloroquine - some people seem to prefer to die or acquire serious organ damage, rather than simply trust real science]
     
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    Why don't we try bloodletting? If it was good enough for George Wahington.
     
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    George Washington was bled heavily by his physician after he developed a throat infection from weather exposure. Within a ten-hour period, a total of 124–126 ounces (3.75 liters) of blood was withdrawn prior to his death from a throat infection in 1799.

    Bloodletting persisted into the 20th century and was recommended in the 1923 edition of the textbook The Principles and Practice of Medicine
    https://web.archive.org/web/2012031...pecialcollections/biomedicallibrary/12193.cfm

    Follow the medical science :smoking:
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    His doctors ushered Washington into the next life.
    We still use bloodletting today, but in limited medical circumstances and politics.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/is_bloodletting_still_used_today/article.htm
     
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    Is that what you call it when you gave a list of a dozen or so RCT's endorsing it?


    None of whom work in the industry, for drug companies or regulatory agencies. You forgot to mention that.

    Data from Ontario and Quebec Canada show now that it's still the age group over 80+ almost all that have been double vaccinated and boosted with 2+ co-morbidities dying in hospital. More now than before. How do you measure success?

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1482770168367521796.html


    Weird disclosure, for sure.


    The issue here is that you spread a lot of it early on by not checking your sources well enough to spot the errors you now say are obvious. Do your homework better before spreading misinformation!

    which is now the successor of stupid hydroxychloroquine - some people seem to prefer to die or acquire serious organ damage, rather than simply trust real science][/QUOTE]
     
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    Which is why it was pulled from the shelves years ago.
     
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    I wonder what our good friend CenterField would think about it, since he's claimed to spent considerable time researching in Brazil.

    https://www.cureus.com/articles/821...3128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching

    I would present to him, but he claims to have me on ignore for asking why he promoted Ivermectin in the first place with what he then called very good RCT's later dismissing them as bunk. I figure if you're going to present yourself as an authority you better know what you're promoting, right? I guess questioning the experts is not allowed in his mind. It doesn't surprise me. He has a bit of a God complex.

    Anyone else want to take a stab at debunking this study. Would love to hear what the experts on this forum think, save for CenterField since he's chickened out from responding to any slightest of criticisms. I think he's just an expert in propping himself up as a super hero.
     
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  13. Arleigh

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    Comparing Covid to the Bubonic Plague does not work. I personally know people who have had Covid 3 times, and are fine, and they had the vaccines. I am hoping they remain healthy.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I didn't compare COVID to the plague. I compared it to systemic malnutrition, which is thought to have made people more susceptible to plague. Anything can cause an overall weakening of the general population's immune systems.
     
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    I think weather also played an important part in the Bubonic plague as crops were affected and this lead to famine- thus a weakened immune system.

    I see your point but, are you envisioning a famine looming? Supply chain issues a precursor?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No, I'm saying that COVID might cause an overall weakening of our immune systems, like famine did in the early 1300s
     
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    leeches are sometimes still used as well

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933224/

    I will NEVER forget reading the Nursing management of Leeches and coming across the sentence “It is the nursing responsibility to count the leeches before and after application particular if they are to be applied near an orifice”.

    The mental image that evoked! :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Yep, I know about 3 individuals who were not vaccinated and had it at least 2x. Second time was almost nothing. First time they had the fatigue and other symptoms for a few weeks.

    I'm told that getting Covid is worse than getting a side effect from the vaccine, the usual and typical ones like fatigue, fever, and all that. How does that work when a vaccinated person gets Covid? I mean, they GOT IT, right? So they're at the same risk long term from long covid as someone who hasn't been vaccinated.

    At the end of the day did the vaccinations just post pone the inevitable, now that Omicron is probably going to spread to almost everyone?
     
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    Definitely not a good one.

    :) :)
     
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    I believe you are right- sooner or later, just about everyone is going to be exposed to Omicron. At this point, I believe Covid was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan China, a la biological warfare, and attacks certain segments of the population more than others, on the aggregate. Why this is, hopefully is being studied, instead of the other nonsense that goes on at the NIH wasting tax payer money.
     

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