Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

Why would Israel support Palestinian hospitals? Palestinians are supposed to manage their own healthcare system by themselves. Don't believe me? Read the Oslo Accords.

Gaza receives billions of dollars in foreign aid. They don't need support from Israel. What are they doing with the money?

So, when you talk about China, do you claim that all Chinese think and act the same? When you talk about France, do you claim that all French think and act the same?

Antisemites claim that all Jews think and act the same.

UN resolutions are non-binding.

Maybe? You didn't bother to check, but you still claim that the article in Times of Israel is biased? On what basis?

Objectivity demands looking at facts from all possible sides. All your links lead to anti-Israel sites. That's not objectivity.

 

Yes, I'm accusing AI of bias.

 

The article is dated August 2020. Not during school hours, if it happened.

 

If all of that wasn't true with Hamas/PA in relation to Israel, would Israel give them what they want?

 

How exactly can a national or a business lobby - any national or business lobby - be in the US government?

I've read the article on paperbacksbooks until I saw this little gem:

The implication being that Israel and USA were friends and allies in the 50s. False. Israel and the US became friends and allies in the 70s, when Israel helped Jordan against the PLO and Syria at the behest of the US. Israel was then the only country willing to help the US help Jordan.

Your sources are not reliable.

 

If all of that wasn't true, the situation would be vastly different. In fact, just after the Oslo accords, an international airport and two smaller airfields were built in Gaza by Israel, and there were several projects for a road or a railway between Gaza and the rest of the PA. The high hopes for a better future were fatally hit by the second Intifada, and buried for good after the violent takeover of Gaza by Hamas.

 

As I see it, International law like the Geneva convention etc is an attempt to make our planet slightly more civilized and protect the weaker against the abuses of the strong & influential.

Why do you think that it's OK for Israel to maintain the longest and most brutal foreign funded occupation in modern history especially when it has been so detrimental and costly to the US(1) and the American G.I.s who have died fighting wars for AIPAC(2) ?

I've spent quite a bit of time in America's V.A. hospitals with much younger Veterans who were burned, mutilated and traumatized fighting wars for Israeli lobbies. They do not resent the Arabs they were sent to kill but they strongly resent traitorous US politicians whose first loyalty is to AIPAC and Israel.



(1) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED


(2) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

 

No. But it is an anti semitic sentiment that motivates it.

 

If the US treated them as Israel treated Palestinians, I bet you some Australians would be. Not all would. And not all Palestinians do either. Being born in Palestine should not equate to a lifetime of being stateless. These people should not all be presumed terrorists because of their birth place, even if many from where they live get indoctrinated into terrorism.

I do agree that Israel is in a tough spot, but there must be a better solution than the endless repression and keeping stateless of generations of descendants of those they displaced. Are they going to keep Palestinians in this situation forever, forever encouraging more terrorism against themselves? Imagine if the US still forcibly kept native Americans stateless and contained on reservations.

It was very stupid to create Israel as they did, displacing people from their homeland and creating religious tension (that's the big difference you would have from your USA/Australia example), all based on a "right to return" based on a holy book.

 

Because Palestine is not a free and independent nation and is kept under Israel's control? Should that not come with responsibility too?

Can the same not be said about those who brand all individual Palestinians as terrorists and/or followers of Hamas? Not all Chinese support the actions or statements of the CCP. Not all Israelis support the actions or statements of the current Israeli government. Not all Palestinians support the actions or statements of Hamas.

 

The Holocaust and holocaust denial seems off topic here. A red herring Israel likes to use to distract from its current actions against people who are not Nazis.

 

Short extracts are not reliable .

However the US was sending Israel a goodly amount of aid in the 50's as it started to grow from the huge Jewish immigration post 1945.
Truman's commitment was quickly tested after Israel's victory in its War of Independence when she applied to the U.S. for economic aid to help absorb immigrants. President Truman responded by approving a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan and the sale of surplus commodities to Israel. In those early years of Israel's statehood (also today), U.S. aid was seen as a means of promoting peace.

In 1951, Congress voted to help Israel cope with the economic burdens imposed by the influx of Jewish refugees from the displaced persons camps in Europe and from the ghettos of the Arab countries.

"https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel

 

Well let's be grateful for small mercies, eh???

 

As I already said, the Palestinians are citizens of the PA. Not quite stateless.

We know very well that not all Palestinians are terrorists. We also know that those who openly oppose terrorism and seek a better life for their people are risking their lives, like Juliano Mer-Khamis. Their own leadership rewards terrorism. The mass media is eerily silent on issues of internal Palestinian politics, so I don't suppose you've heard about the recent murder of an opposition leader - beaten to death by security forces - or about the brutal repression of protesters against the regime by said regime. Facts on the ground don't match the view from a couch across an ocean.

All Palestinian children are being indoctrinated into terrorism, including in UNRWA schools. The EU stopped funding PA schoolbooks because of that.

Your answer triggered a whole new set of questions. If being stateless was the real reason for terror attacks by Palestinians, we should've seen such terror attacks in countries where Palestinians are treated far worse than anything Israel ever did to them- Lebanon and Syria. Why aren't any terror attacks by Palestinians in Lebanon and Syria? Why there never were terror attacks in Egypt during the Egyptian military occupation of Gaza? Why didn't anyone - Arabs and the international community - ask Jordan and Egypt to give Palestinians a state on the land they demand now from Israel, when Jordan and Egypt had the power to do just that?

Don't get me started on the issue of Palestinian refugees. They're being kept stateless and miserable in most of the Arab world to be used as weapons against Israel. Imagine if the EU forcibly kept generations of descendants of immigrants stateless and contained in refugee camps.

Maybe it was very stupid to create Iraq as an Arab country, ignoring a whole community of Iraqi Jews who have lived there for 2500 years, long before Arabs. Do you think that Iraqi Jews are a separate nation, different from all other Jews, and should have received a country in their ancestral homeland?

Maybe it was very stupid to create Pakistan as a country for Indian Muslims, displacing over 15 million people in the process - possibly the most massive mass migration in history (in the same year Israel gained independence).

I can't answer your post because it's full of logical fallacies. I'll only point out that, while you decry the bitter fate of poor stateless Palestinians, it seems very natural to you that Jews shouldn't have a state of their own. Why?

 

Which wars?

 

Which wars?

 

So when did Hamas's stated goal of the total destruction of Israel start?

 

So you don't know that it was during school hours, but yet you say that they were specifically targeting school children.

 

Way to downplay the rockets. So there's some loss of life. Who do Israel kill in cold blood?

 

No, it's neither beyond reproach, nor fair.

Amnesty International had thoroughly discredited itself when it associated with Moazzam Beg's Cage Prisoners. You know, the nice people who defended Jihadi John of ISIS fame.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50...ome-alliances-are-more-impartial-than-others/

Why are people who support ISIS defenders supposed to be fair and impartial when it comes to Israel?

The factual truth can be found in history books and documents, not on blogs with agendas. Try again.

One observation: the UN defines individuals under 18 as children. so a 17 years old terrorist is automatically presented as a child. No, Israel doesn't send real innocent children to prison. Yes, I can prove it. Give me names.

One more observation: members of terrorist organizations - lovingly called "militants" by the media - don't wear uniforms, hence are not protected by international laws of war. Administrative detention is perfectly legal for those unlawful combatants.

I feel one more observation coming through. Bear with me.

Every anti-Israel narrative starts with the Nakba. Why? It's not enough to state that Jews suddenly came to a peaceful, Arab from time immemorial Palestine, and took over just because. You have to prove your premises. But you can't, because there's no proof whatsoever for a peaceful, Arab from time immemorial Palestine. You have to start with the Nakba narrative because emotional manipulation designed to make Zionists look bad is all anti-Zionists have.

Did you know that the Nakba narrative didn't exist unitl Arafat invented it in the late 90s?

Another couch warrior telling Israelis what it's like to live in Israel from across a sea and an ocean.

Well, I can hardly wait for any anti-Zionist to actually come to Israel, to one of the areas most targeted by terrorists in Gaza, and experience those weak, ineffective, minor damaging rockets on one's precious anti-Zionist skin.

 

The Hamas covenant of 1988.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-covenant-full-text

 

Whatever.
I cannot deal with all these perversions of history.
Clearly you live with them around you every day. Your press is full of them. Your politicians use them to gain your favour.
FYI..the Nakba was clearly documented by 1950.

 

What is "peaceful, Arab from time immemorial Palestine?"

 

I didn't say they specifically targeted school children.
It was more like Israel didn't care. Their justification was some cache of weapons hidden there. There were none.

Look. I see the balance of power, the longer history of Israel post 1948 and its manipulation of the USA and I come to conclusions. I am not up for tit for tat yadada and body counts.
Israel won't be content until the Zionists (literal bible followers and principal nationalist land thieves in the name of the Torah) won't be happy until Israel is "restored" as a land that extends from the Jordan to the sea. They would create 12 tribes if they could.
At a normal altitude, the United Nations is the home of international law. No other country deliberately overruns other people's land, homes and throws them out. Just this week there has been more evacuations of Palestinians in East Jerusalem, agreed as their home.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/world/middleeast/israel-palestine-jerusalem-eviction.html

Israel has a long history of savage harassment of Palestinians and my own moral code does not approve.

 

Israel won't be content until the Zionists won't be happy until...? Can you rephrase?

Which only means something if you give a damn about international law.

Does your moral code approve of what Hamas does?