Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

It is as good a guess as any. I doubt the U.S. will do anything military about it under the current administration but perhaps they will surprise me.

 

With 'Geriatric Joe' and Kamala-la-la at the helm, and their 'woke' klatsch of half-witted apparatchiks running the country -- along with a complete stooge like Mark Milley as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff...?! Naw, from Putin's point of view, he'll never, ever have a better opportunity to reconstruct a large portion of the old Soviet Union than he has right now -- on a silver platter! And, his good buddy in Beijing will cover his flank and make it even easier for him to accomplish it!

. "And with a little luck, they'll never elect another RONALD REAGAN...!"

 

Here's a thought: since Putin is insisting that he'll accept nothing less than a complete ban on NATO expansion, someone should ask him what he's willing to give up in exchange for that big ask.

Is he willing to return Crimea to Ukraine?
Is he willing to pay restitution to Ukraine?
Is he, at the very least, willing to stop recognizing illegal breakaway republics inside of other countries, like Donetsk, Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia? And put it in writing?

I'm guessing probably not, but either way it would expose whether the Russian government were sincere at all about wanting a diplomatic solution or not.

 

The best hope for a lasting peace inside Ukraine was, and perhaps remains "Minsk II" . Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

But, a few things have changed quite a hell of a lot since 2015, including the fact that Putin now 'has the bit between his teeth', and he knows now what he's dealing with in the White House. Putin surely sees that this is the perfect time and situation for Russia to use to exploit American and European lack of resolve to resist him in Eastern Europe... especially as he and Xi Jinping are engaging in an ever more powerful economic and military alliance that is very much set to project new power throughout all of the Eastern Hemisphere.

Meanwhile, over here, the ruling 'woke' Democrat Party is all balled-up in silly, destructive crap like 'critical race theory', how many genders there are, and how soon the country should start paying 'reparations' to Blacks, even though slavery ended 156 years ago!

 

Biden predicts Russia will invade Ukraine, warning Putin 'will be held accountable'

President Joe Biden predicted Wednesday that Russia will invade Ukraine, just as the United States launched a fresh effort to resolve the standoff and Moscow continued to mass troops on its neighbor’s doorstep. “My guess is he will move in, he has to do something,” said Biden during a news conference, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...TBh/ENDjLnAvKDWCMGBtJ2VE/xon7AH//ChtLHgEAAA==

 

How can Russia absorb Transnistria if they stay east of the Dnieper River?

Wouldn't they have to take Odessa and the entire north coast of the Black Sea?

 

Crimea was never legally a part of Ukraine. It was illegally invaded and occupied by Kiev in 1995. After the coup in 2014, the people of Crimea voted to unite with Moscow as protection from another invasion by Kiev. You realize that 88% of the people in Crimea are Russian, speak Russian, conduct their business in Russian, go to school in Russia and marry Russians. They're not going to allow the people from Western Ukraine to take away their heritage or ethnically cleanse them from their homes.

Moscow's concern is Nato's expansion into Eastern Europe; which also includes Ukraine. The US and Nato leaders promised Gorbachov that they wouldn't move an inch further East since it would be a threat to Russia's security, yet they broke that promise five times. This is why Russia wants a return to their original promise and this time with a written guarantee by the US and Nato since they can't be trusted.

As for Ukraine, what Putin wants is the implimentation of the Minsk II treaty which was signed by Poroshenko and the 2 Republics. After the Ukrainian defeat at Debaltsevo, Poroshenko sued for peace, so Putin closed the Russian border so the militias from the Republics wouldn't be able to get medical supplies and would have to stop their advance to free Mariopol and Odessa.

Merkel, Putin and Macron were to guarantee that the Minsk Treaty would be implemented. In the Treaty the Donbass was to have autonomy within Ukraine since Putin refused their request to become a part of Russia. He considered them too integrated with the rest of Ukraine.

Kiev was to start talks immediately with the two Republics so they could integrate, but Kiev refused to talk. Nor did Kiev follow through on any of the other parts of the Treaty. Russia has been paying their pensions etc. Instead the nationalist armies keeps bombarding the civilian areas in Donetsk and the fighting on the border keeps getting worse.

Russia's fear is that if the nationalist armies and mercenaries enter the Republics they will start killing and ethnically cleansing the population. To secure their safety, Moscow gave them Russian citizenship. This way if they kill them, they are killing Russians so Moscow will have to intervene. Putin warned that if Russia has to intervene, then they will not stop at the demarcation line, but will continue further into Ukraine and take all the cities that were once part of Russia.

For the past months Zalensky has been trying to pressure Putin to have talks with him to change the Treaty, but Putin says Russia is not part of the Treaty and he won't speak to him until he starts implementing the terms of the Treaty.

That's where the situation stands today.

 

Well, obviously, Transnistria would be a separate piece of the encirclement... but you may be right -- and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be an identified Uk-hardliner if the Russians start taking revenge for those ethnic Russians that were burned alive in Odessa by Kiev-operatives several years ago.... Russians can be the most cold-blooded, humorless people in the world when they're angry....

 

Yes it was, and yes it still is.

But I'll admit that stealing Crimea from Ukraine isn't much different from stealing Kosovo from Serbia. If NATO can do it then so can Russia.

No it wasn't.

A fake election organized by the KGB.

 

The KGB was disbanded when the Soviet Union imploded in December 1991. Try to keep up....

 

I don't care about their silly name changes. They keep changing the name of Leningrad all the time too, but Leningrad will still burn to the ground if Russia starts a nuclear war.

 

You have previously posted a similar threat against St Petersburg [Russia's Tsarist capital]

What if it's Washington DC that is burned AGAIN [British burned it in the war of 1812]

 

We’ve gotten ourselves in about the worst situation. We’ve made commitments to Ukraine concerning their security putting the credibility of American/NATO defense guarantees on the line. At the same time Russia considers a NATO expansion this close to it’s borders an unacceptable threat. Putin will soon decide how much aggression he can get away with and how great a cost is his country will to pay.

The Biden administration has bumbled into giving the world the impression that our will is weak. Not a good position to be in.

 

Then everything in Russia will burn.

 

It's the USA that is facing over a 100 years of bad karma.

In other words, God is with Putin.

 

Our Karma is fine. The US has the United States Air Force.

American stealth bombers can pummel Russia relentlessly until there is nothing left in Russia to bomb.

 

And what would THAT a achieve?? Sadly the US war history isn't that great...........and it still relies on the memories of the big war.........but since then....... not so good.

 

The US government under Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson fostered war and revolution [February 1917 so-called "democratic" revolution] to intentionally weaken and destroy Russia's 1000 year monarchy. This paved the way for the marxist/bolshevik revolution a few months later [October 1917.] During WW2, even before the USA entered the war... FDR began sending billions of dollars in aid to save Stalin's marxist gulag state. The irony is... now marxist are in control of the USA... and Americans have no one to blame but themselves.

 

In a conventional war it would beat Russia to a pulp.

In a nuclear war it would erase Russia from existence.

It looks pretty good to me.

 

No they didn't.

Not really.

 

Yes, really.

Marxists promote anti-family cultural, moral and religious destruction. For the past several decades marxists in the USA have promoted the same [and even worse] social and moral degeneracy that marxist/bolsheviks used to destroy Christian Russia a hundred years ago.

 

So you don't care how many human beings you kill?? !! What then?? Take over the lad that used to be Russia?? and "rape" it for its resources???

Really???

 

If Russia starts a nuclear war, lots of people will be killed. I'll be too busy caring about dead Americans.

No. I don't want their resources. I just want them to not attack us or our allies.

 

What the Soviets did, and by that I mean all the nations that were in the Soviet army, was a reaction to seeing their lands ravaged and millions of people killed. What I know is that Putin has volumes of testimonies of crimes committed so they could hold a Nuremburg style trial someday.

I believe they found unmarked cemeteries in the Russian areas that were under the nationalist control and all the information has been handed to the Hague.

 

Roosevelt on Churchill's suggestion, started the lend lease to save the people of Leningrad from starvation. With a few small exceptions, the only things other than food were the trucks to carry the food the thousands of miles from the port of Vladovostok and Iran to Leningrad.

It's believed now that over a million people died since many civilians ran into the city to escape the German advance. Putin's brother was one of them.