A Peaceful day of "tourism" ...

We are back to beliefs. While I respect your belief that an unarmed crowd having a group tantrum is a coup, it is still in the category of the flying spaghetti monster. In reality, this crowd was not equipped to seize control of a Home Depot.

 

True, but you are no different. If so many people can have strong beliefs while being 100% wrong, shouldn't you question your own beliefs?

 

I want you to keep that avatar forever. I love it!

 

I always "question" my beliefs. But, once I've made a decision I follow it through.

 

It seems that YOUR view of a "peaceful assembly' is vastly different from others. There was NOTHING "peaceful " about that uprising...........and nor was it some tourist day ... But if you want o believe that .........fine.

For some it has become a game of semantics.....

If Pence had followed Trumps suggestions/ orders........... Democracy would have been abolished.........for the continuation of a sting man.

(which seems what some want.....) Perhaps they are tiered of Democracy...and now want one man in power for life. (which is what Trump wanted

why can't some get over that Trump LOST fair and square.?? It must be the success of the disinformation system in effect.

 

No. Most of them use the same definitions. They are just more fluid for some. And, whitewashing consists of the same definitions and just "lowers the temperature".

No. Good old fashioned double-standard.

I'm not a political scientist but I honestly don't believe that would have happened. Outside Pence's sanity, professionalism, oath of office and values (<--- that might a stretch given who he got in bed with, but let's throw that in), I believe that every single licensed attorney, law enforcement agency, active reserved duty military personnel would have not allowed that to happen irrespective to our laws.

Pence NOT certifying the states' election counts would have been dereliction of duty.

It's horrible to think about, but even if the Capitol rioters found him and forced him to not certify or murdered him to force someone else to not certify the election results, there would be a stand-off, either with the Capitol police and their back-up law enforcement agencies and/or military intervention.

I mean, think about when we hear about a prisoner escape or stand-off with a wanted person holding a hostage to try to make demands. Every police officer available will respond quickly. I honestly don't see how Pence could be harmed or worse and everyone would just shrug and say "Well, Trump is our new dictator now. Let's just go with that idea until the Supreme Court can rule of the legality of that." Can you imagine that happening? It could probably happen somewhere people already are under that kind of rule but not here.

And, I differentiate between Trump supporters and Trump cultists. There is no hope for the latter. That's a terminal illness. But for the sane people that are dyed-in-the-wool Republican/conservative, there will be an upper limit to what they will turn a blind eye. I can't even conceptualize even thousands of them being cool with our VP being kidnapped or murdered. Yeah, Trump would be in 7th heaven but the average citizen isn't going to capitulate at overlooking murder especially because the volition behind those acts started with their POTUS. However, I will admit that I was surprised that some of them are cool with 5 dead Capitol police officers and 400,000 COVID deaths under Trump but I still, however waning, believe most people have some kind of moral compass even if their chosen leader does not.

I believe it's the other way around. They want what they believe is encroachment on **their** country to stop and Trump sold them a Bill of Goods that he could provide that.

Pause a second. You'll have to completely ignore the fact that he has never delivered on anything he has ever said. Try to forget that part or it just makes this next part harder. For them, <with this gigantic Christmas gift of no minorities on television or CRT in schools or equal pay for minorities or women, all people outside heterosexual, all religions except Christianity and unicorns and sparkles> are *worth* ignoring or apologizing or justifying his egregious, and usually illegal, behavior.

Pause another second...Just stop trying to think logically. It won't work if you're logical. For them, it's acceptable that some subset of who they are went to the Capitol to take care of that issue even if it went to that bitter end of Pence being murdered. And, in another layer of Orange-fogged glasses, the people that were to prison or about to go to go to prison *deserve it* for NOT accomplishing the mission Trump sent them to fulfill. They rationalize his disavowing the arrestees.

The point being it's not that they want to kill Democracy, per se. It's more that they need to stand against all efforts of balancing the playing field so ALL Americans, not just the ones that look, love and worship like they do, truly have the same rights they have always had. They have to stand against that because they aren't reaping the rewards of being "privileged" if the inequities and disparities are challenged. Why would the one that gets the bigger toys want to share them with the other kids? They wouldn't.

Here's why.

Anecdote I met a guy a few years back that loved to play chess. One night he had friends over and we watched him play against another friend, a black female. They were neck and neck for a while but she outmaneuvered him and won. He jumped up, grabbed the board and pieces and flung them across the room. He was furious. To him, it wasn't that he lost because she was a better player. He took it as a personal insult that a female, a black female, beat him.

And, that is what is happening here. Trump groomed them to believe that the ****ONLY**** way he could lose re-election is if there was fraud. Like Maxwell, groomers are very good at mind games. That's what they do. So, the people that believe his lie, just like Maxwell's targets, don't know they are being set up to get <you know what>.

No. That might have applied to politics prior to the invention of the internet or television. There is absolute no reason on Earth than anybody is ignorant on basically anything we can think of. And, they aren't ignorant of that information. They know. They are just cool with it.

A quick parallel - Hundreds, if not thousands, stood behind and continue to stand behind Rittenhouse. But, if a non-white person got some weapons and went **looking** for trouble, they'd be calling for public lynching again. It's not that they don't **know** his actions were criminal, it's simply they don't care that his actions were criminal.

They are certainly consistent there. I don't believe Orange Jesus has ever done anything aboveboard. They don't either, they just want their goal (see first response in this post) and anything and everything is an acceptable price for them to obtain that (or, think they will. They don't seem to have any concerns that he's a liar and never delivers so don't try to make that make sense. It doesn't.).

 

" Trump groomed them to believe that the ****ONLY**** way he could lose re-election is if there was fraud. Like Maxwell, groomers are very good at mind games."


exactly!! In fact using the "grooming' analogy is very apt.


......I still do think that there was and still is a threat to democracy......as it can happen in front of our yes........and we can miss the signs and symptoms

The way things are divided now.......doesn't help. A divided nation is a vulnerable nation......

 

I watched every minute of it. It was nothing but people fighting with cops outside.
Wheres the insurrection part?
Or do you know what an insurrection is?

 

Do you???

 

Maybe this can help you out

 

A) They were armed
B) when they are throwing bike racks at police that goes more than a little beyond “tantrum”

Why is it so hard to acknowledge this was a far right crowd who had been misled?

 

Hahaha ..... So you can't name one. Of course not as kind of hard to State anything as a fact when your fabricating it

 

So just to get the record straight, you thought, a few hundred idiots over a two hour riot, armed with their deadly flag poles, were going to take out the Capital Police, the National Guard, and the US military, take over the Capital, take over the country, and install their own leader.
I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

 

It's a tantrum. It's not hard to acknowledge that this was a far right crowd who's been misled. The issue lies in that, it's exactly a tantrum and there's the political need by this weakened parliament and its leading party for it to be more, exclusively and only for propaganda purposes(We await what their version of the Enabling Act will be.)

We citizens especially due to the tantrum will not rise to the occasion to give the government this occasion. Especially THIS leadership.

 

Think about it. The Capitol rioters harming police officers, breaching the building, defacing public, stealing government property and making threats is a "temper tantrum" because they were there to fight for their President's honor (based on a lie).

However, non-white people rioting, harming others, breaching buildings, stealing property and making threats all deserve the death penalty even though they are upset about something that actually happened. (And, there was no risk to our elected official or the seat of our government).



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But, you can't try to make those make sense together. It won't work if you think logically.

 

So just to get the record straight, you thought, a few hundred idiots over a two hour riot, armed with their deadly flag poles, were going to take out the Capital Police, the National Guard, and the US military, take over the Capital, take over the country, and install their own leader.
Does that about cover your insurrection story?

 

Fixed it!! Since those guys would have still been in prison were it not for Trump!!

 

So now you think Trump got them out of jail?
This gets better every minute.
Just how did Trump accomplish this.
I can't wait to hear this part.

 

Might be the same reason they still believe the election was stolen./ rigged.

serious denial.?? or Trump has taken control of their thinking........

But either way......it does not look good for the country..........and the rest of the world sees it too. What is sad is that the nation was a pretty good example of a democratic Republic............ but it seems to have lost its bearings.

How anyone can quibble over semantics ......when it comes to a violent event like Jan ............is perplexing............but it suggests some are prepared to minimize it...........and tolerate that kind of behavior..........and that is concerning.

Mind you .....America has a high tolerance for violence........ so that might explain it. It just was not violent enough for some.

 

I don't know anyone who doesn't want to see these rioters punished for their stupidity.
But you think a few hundred idiots, with their deadly flag poles, over a two hour riot, were going to take out the Capital police, the US military, take over the Capital, take over the country, and install their own leader?
Its not an insurrection. Its a riot.

 

The fact they ( the idiots ) did not succeed in stalling or aborting the election process so that trump would be the winner........does not make it less serious.

The fact that trump was more concerned about crowd size and failed to respond for along time is rather dismal at best...as it suggests he was supporting them. ( after all they were his fans)

 

Then, as you say, they do, they seem to believe in a lie. The root of what happened in January are all of the draconian things folks like Nancy and Chuck were both doing and threatening to do. At least own your own party and their autocracy. And tyranny of the left is the root of all the malcontent of the people. Try not to forget that.

 

Yea... the coup attempt against a duly elected president from spygate through russiagate, scam mueller investigation, and 2 failed fake impeachments... they are all very well documented and LOTS of evidence showing illegal and corrupt behavior by our own government... yet no one has been held accountable in our corrupt government.... Why? Heck traitor McCabe and email forger boy were even given a pat on the back and pensions back... Welcome to America.

 

You live in a fantasy created by right wing media.

 

a)I am not defending the actions of these thugs.
b) I am far from being a rightie

I do value the truth and no reasonable person could consider this riot a "coup" I see much worse here in L.A. after a Lakers game. (And thats if they win!)