Australia suffers deadliest day of pandemic as Omicron drives up hospital cases

For a freedom loving American that isn't a good way to live. It may have been justified for a true killer virus but covid is really only dangerous to old people like me. The death rate among the young and healthy is very low. Our approach was to vaccinate. That hasn't been any more effective really than the lockdowns we tried and abandoned. The virus is going to do what it does despite what we do. In time we will learn to live with it.

 

I agree with that. But despite cultural differences the virus is the same for all of us.

 

But not the way we reacted to it. We are back to wearing masks - 99z of people are doing it no problems because we value life

America spent years dismissing a horrific gun death toll

 

{{{{{{{{{shrugs}}}}}}}}}

No one has absolute “freedom”. All Gods Children have to obey laws

and this is not only about the death rate but the disability rate. COVID is a disease of the lining of the blood vessels and so can affect every organ in your body - hence “long covid”

 

No he didn't, and it's asinine. If you're going to allow someone freedom, part of that freedom is the ability to make decisions for your own life based on your own circumstances. That may mean choosing safety and security over some of your rights. Guess what? THAT'S FREEDOM! The freedom to make your own choice.

This saying is anti-freedom. It expects you to follow along with a narrow view and tries to tell you what should be most important to you without any way of knowing the circumstances of your situation. Like all blanket sayings, it might be applicable, maybe, in a small handful of situations, but even then it's trying to tell you that freedom is important without giving you the freedom to make your own choice on the matter.

Benjamin Franklin did not and would not have said anything so stupid and contradictory.

 

Sorry mate
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

― Benjamin Franklin
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/140634-those-who-would-give-up-essential-liberty-to-purchase-a

and no ..standing up for essential liberty is not "anti Freedom" ... you are the one that is anti freedom .. Full Stop

 

Also spent years dismissing the science of global warming.
It's known as a sunk cost fallacy.

 

Clearly I've been wrong in saying he didn't say it. I retract that statement. But after doing some research, it appears this quote is being taken out of context.

As to your other point, there is no such thing as essential liberty. The "essential" part is completely subjective. If you actually believed in freedom and liberty, you'd believe each person has the essential right to choose for themselves what is more important to their own lives. But apparently that's not how you think. Your comments insinuate that people should have freedom and liberty as long as they use them to make the same choices you do.

 

No worries .. but was not taken out of context -- your wrong -- and your claim "There is no such thing as essential liberty" is also wrong.

What what is this BS about belief in rights "Only for which you believe in" That's you . not me. keep your projections to yourself por favor. and if you are going to make an accusation .. then show on what basis that accusation is being made... What comment ?

1) Essential liberty 101 -- As per the Declaration - document with defines what essential liberty is ..with which Ben was all good .. Essential liberty is put "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't .. End of discussion .. Gov't has no legit authority to mess with essential liberty -- "Of its own volition"

Consent of the Governed --- Authority comes from "we the people" as per the social contract - construct by which we give Gov't "Limited Authority" Protection from harm - direct harm -- rape murder, theft -- is the legit authority of Gov't .

. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

If Gov't wants to make law messing with essential liberty -- it must appeal to the people .. and obtain "overwhelming consent" 2/3rds majority minimum .. so as to avoid "Tyranny of the Majority" 50+1 - Simple Majority Mandate.

News to most people I know .. but there is no such thing as legitimate law -- justified on the basis of Simple Majority Mandate.... Not how our constitutional Republic is supposed to work.

There you go .. Essential liberty defined .. and has nothing to do with what I like or dislike .. If you can get 2/3rds majority behind you .. the law is legit .. regardless of what I think.

 

The OP who hasn't been seen in this thread since page one.
Seems he likes stirring it up but isn't prepared to stick around and defend his bollocks.

 

I guess we are a nation of monsters. At least we are monsters that live free. I can assure you that Americans also value life. I can also assure you that wearing masks won't help unless they are N95 masks. Those will help a little.

 

Nope! Just desensitised.been witnessing the dismissal of gun deaths that shock other citizens of other nations for years.

Yes masks slow it down but they also do something else. Remember it is the viral load you are exposed to that can play a huge part in how ill you get.

 

I am sorry to hear the news in Australia. Being Canadian we love Australians. We respected them from WW1, WW2 and Korea and we respect them as always with their attitude and no nonsense approach to life full of beer, humour and common sense.

I am glad you guys sent that ***** tennis player packing. What an arrogant moron. Hang in all Aussies.

 

We are stretched but we are coping at the moment. Yeah we Aussies also feel closer to you Canadians than to Americans - won’t stop us from beating your arses off at the next commonwealth games though

 

Australia is proof that fascist authoritarianism is a threat to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

This coming from a Trumpet? Really? Ahahahahah.

 

would be nice to see deaths by variants listed
and cases by variant listed

 

I was going to make some smart arsed comment asking if Canadians even play cricket but recent evidence seems to suggest England can't either.
Roll on the Games though, just 6 months to wait now.

 

Trump alone stands in opposition to our corrupt bipartisan ruling political class, therefore it is in the interest for ordinary Americans to give their qualified support for Trump. Nevertheless, the moderate liberal Trump is not above criticism. Read my posts more carefully and you will find plenty of criticism of DJT.

 

As is often the case your opinions are unsubstantiated. Reviews of existing data do not support your opinion here.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab903/6397523

Here is a study that shows viral load of index cases was not associated with outcomes of secondary cases.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.646679/full

Unfortunately both public opinion and public health strategy were predicated on the thin anecdotal evidence that existed for this theory. Just another case of those who are supposed to know better not following the “science “.

 

Platitudinal gibberish -- void of meaning or context.

'
Your not getting it - the rate of both death and disability for healthy individuals is far greater from the vax .. than from Covid in general -- and ridiculously so with Omicron.

males 16-29 - 1 in 10,000 myocarditis - risk of myocarditis from "Omicron" to same demographic Way lower .. that is a ridiculously high risk of harm .. way off the charts compared to other vaccines.

Dead 1 in 20,000 from the vax .. odds of above demographic dying from Delta and previous - 1 in 400,000 Omicron ? 1 in X - Million . as in more than one (1)

 

Oh! I am “getting it” you are using conspiracy theories and Facebook memes to fuel misconceptions

I note NONE of this has any validation, no citations, references or links

Afraid that someone else will see your source of “information for the QANON quackery that it is?

 

What Memes .. Conspiracy ? gave you the numbers .. and have have links and references all over this thread ..including to you no doubt .. perhaps that was another thread.. but it was handed to you .. now you are back at the trough for more ..

Tell us about this conspiracy you are desperately wanting to label and demonize -- what is this false narrative has up such in a tiffy .. and why are you atributing this nonsense to me ?

 

The worm turns. They were so high and mighty about how they were doing it right and the US had done it wrong. Karma is a female dog....

 

Never going to happen.

Oh you might want people over here to die just to make you feel better (because that's the kind of person you are) but there's not a single estimate of the potential death toll in Australia per head of population that's going to come anywhere near what the US has suffered. See below;

Cases and mortality by country

Country, Confirmed Cases, Total Deaths, Case-Fatality, Deaths per 100K pop.,

United States: 68,569,950 857,768 1.3% 261.32

Australia: 2,022,581 2,890 0.1% 11.39

And those figures are not going to change significantly because the most populous regions of the country have vaccination rates approaching 95% of the population and extremely high rates of mask wearing as well as other disease control measures.