The cause of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, bone weakness, etc.

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Dude, it has nothing to do with education.

    The world is full of non-fat people who weren't schooled past the age of 15, and the fattest people on earth are in the 'educated' countries.
     
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    I have type 2; I know people who are not heavy and have type 2
     
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    That's because it's a metabolic problem. The metabolic process has become sluggish and isn't performing with the speed it should.

    And the culprit for THAT is lack of exercise. Given exercise is the engine of the metabolism, it's not difficult to understand.
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I joined the Y and have used it!
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are native Alaskan races that know how to be healthy without access to vegetables and fruit. For example, they'll get vitamin C by eating fish eyes.
    On a similar note, there are some other people who can't tolerate hardly any vegetables, greens, or fruit. They do well on a carnivore diet. The internet has their stories.
     
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    ~ I think more science is coming that will show Dr. William Davis, M.D. to be correct. He is far from the only one showing us the dangers of carbohydrates in our diet leading to blood sugar spikes. Very inflammatory to the vascular system - among other things.
     
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    IMO there is a correlation between some of the health problems listed in the OP, and the growth of fast food delivery services.
    You don't even have to get up from your couch to eat that slop.
     
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    I am talking of Australian first native people
     
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    My mother-in-law once tried to donate a bag of potatoes to a food bank. The donation was rejected with the comment that many people did not know how to cook a potato.
     
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    Well .. I mean that's only going to happen under two very specific conditions - both of which are entirely a matter of choice.

    a) You must be eating simple carbs (complex carbs have far less impact on the metabolic system)

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    b) You must be doing almost no incidental exercise (IOW, spending more of your day seated than standing/walking).

    When those two mistakes are avoided, complex carbs can be (and are, in almost all human societies) the bulk of your diet. It's certainly the case in the longest lived peoples - who all share a high carb/low protein diet, despite coming from very different cultures. A low carb/high protein diet is actually an indicator of shorter lifespans and less general overall health. That's established science.
     
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    Okay .. that can't be real. Is it? If so .... how? why?
     
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    Is that fast food ordering itself and forcing its way into peoples' homes?

    WHY do you insist on putting the blame on anything but the PEOPLE making these choices? Why? What the hell is your motive here? Are you determined to ensure they keep doing it, so that you can keep selling them fast food? Do you own shares in Taco Bell?
     
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    Plenty of urban people never order fast food, despite the ease of doing so.
     
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    ~ I disagree. Medicine is always about 15 years behind. Cholesterol and polyunsaturated fats are an example. Insulin resistance/adult onset diabetes is another. These undiagnosed conditions are causing much avoidable health problems. You cannot exercise your way out of an improper diet/bad lifestyle.
    Fortunately a new breed of Docs are coming on board to educate those who are interested.
     
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    With respect, you're working backwards.

    Insulin resistance and NIDDMII (Type 2 Diabetes) are not diseases arising spontaneously .. they are a result of poor metabolic (endocrine) health - which in turn is a result of an imbalance of output. When your output is at the level it was designed for - constant movement - whatever you use to fuel it isn't held long enough to become a chemical problem. Obviously a bad diet will catch up with you even if you do loads of exercise, but it will take longer than in someone who does little or no exercise.

    More importantly, the way process carbs is a function of our design for constant movement. It only 'goes wrong', if you don't move constantly. And since we are designed for constant movement, we need quickly processed fuel to power that movement (ie, carbs). A lion who eats twice a week doesn't need carbs, because when not hunting they're sleeping. They only need ocassional bursts of 'flight or fight' energy. But here's the important point - the lion's endocrine system is DESIGNED for that chemical arrangement - ours is not. We go into metabolic emergency if we go more than 12 hours without carbs, and reaching that point is not a GOOD thing, it's a sign of chemical imbalance.

    What's happened in the First World, is that certain doctors and scientists have recognised that people are no longer willing to keep their endocrine system in balance the way nature intended it, and so have identified 'cheats for the lazy'. The cheat being to trick your endocrine system into emergency by starving it of carbs. The risks associated with doing that are huge, and ultimately no one gains from it. Unless you're a full blood Inuit, you won't get away with it. And even they die much younger than the high carb/low protein centenarians of Japan, Himalayas, Southern Italy/Spain etc.
     
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    ~ It appears you have found a diet/lifestyle that works well for you. I assume you have a glucose meter and know what the healthy parameters are.
    Good luck ... :aww:
     
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    Really happened. I get that boiling a potato is pretty basic, but I did not make this story up.
     
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    It's biological science. We're all the same animal - there is no 'works for some, but not others'. Your simian biology doesn't care about your preferences, it will do what it does in the same way it does in every one of us.

    As for blood glucose, mine is fantastic. That will be because I eat plenty of complex carbs, and get a good amount of exercise - thanks to both my lifestyle, and my job (which I walk 1.5 miles to, and 1.5 miles back) running around a large Govt complex all day, and where using lifts is both too slow, and too virusy.
     
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    Were the charity workers just ignorant or something? Maybe they were just assuming folk don't know how to cook potatoes? Which is of course a bizarre assumption, but possible I guess.

    It defies reason that people would actually not be able to cook a potato. This might be more about people not WANTING to cook potatoes, which is a whole other (pathetic) matter.
     
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    My mother in law related the story to me when I was diving her from PA to my house in VA for a visit. I can still remember how upset she was telling me the story, having grown up in the depression when people including herself went hungry. She described being specifically told by the food bank they would not accept potatoes in a bag because some people did not know how to cook them. If she was alive today I would ask here for more specifics. I know she never again donated food after this incident because it was so upsetting.
     
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    ~ Potatoes are nice raw ... crunchy ! :aww:
     
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    Good for her. Clearly, if people are refusing food because it has to be cooked, they're exploiting and abusing a charity.
     
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    As the good doctor pointed out, less bad is often not so good.

    As a blanket category, complex carbs is a mixed bag. Many complex carbs are bad news, while others are supportive of beneficial types of gut bacteria. Beans are a notable pro/con status. They have considerable amounts favoring the good bugs, but full-size servings also have the kind of starch that pushes blood sugar up too high. That problem is gotten around by eating smaller amounts generally in a mixture with other foods that don't drive up the count.

    As the doctor also explained, eating a whole full-sized apple provides a few more than 15 grams of available carbohydrate, which is just over the accelerated damage range.

    "Longest lived peoples" is often a statistical extraction, i.e. distinct populations that have the largest proportion of centenarians. I suggest that the centenarians are the few genetically advantaged individuals whose body chemistry handles the blood sugar curve with less damage than average.

    There are native populations that stay very healthy into old age despite a dietary reliance on sweet potatoes (which are not as beneficial as beans). A low-protein diet probably accounts for their relative freedom from western-type degenerative diseases. It is also known that such people do not suffer from disbiosys, i.e. they have good bugs that properly handle the carbohydrate load.
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I strongly disagree. There are distinct exceptions to the "one size fits all." Some people can't handle any green leafy foods. I knew one coworker whose digestive system couldn't handle any kind of red meat.
     
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    I wasn't talking about idiosyncratic intolerances, I was talking about the human metabolic system.
     

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