Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    You're not disputing it. Simple.
    And you got no argument besides demanding I go quote things.

    That is because it's a different source.
     
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  2. chris155au

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    I dispute anything which isn't sourced.

    In arguments, it's a good idea to provide sources. You're not doing it, so I am encouraging you to.

    A source which you didn't quote.
     
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  3. notme

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    We all know I sourced it. And with that I proved systemic racism.
    You got no argument.
     
  4. chris155au

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    I most certainly am. Again, if there was anything in your sources about American governmental agencies doing the racial profiling, you would have quoted it already! Simple!

    I'm simply saying that you're argument is not valid without a source which mentions the US sentencing commission!
     
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  5. notme

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    I put up -I think it was- 7 sources. One of them is from HRW about the police and racial profiling for drugs.
    And here you are disputing on that specific source the police is not an American governmental agency.
    You've sank so low. It's hysterically funny.
    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...commission-report-racial-disparities-persist/
    With all things factored in like criminal past etc etc etc, the American predominantly white society keeps on giving harsher sentences to people when they are black. The skin color is the only difference they can find. It's systemic. It's done by the government. They know it. It still happens. It takes a racist to deny it.
     
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  6. chris155au

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    I thought that you were talking about a federal government agency.

    From the article:

    "However, the study also found that while “there was a 7.9 percent difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received sentences within the applicable sentencing guidelines range, ... there was no statistically significant difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received a substantial assistance departure.”

    "As other factors may be involved, the USSC warned that its report “should be interpreted with caution and should not be taken to suggest discrimination on the part of judges.”

    "The USSC report also indicated that female offenders of all races received significantly lower sentences than male offenders convicted of similar crimes – a trend that has remained consistent since the Commission’s 2010 report."
     
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  7. notme

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    I don't spot where the federal government is excluded.
    My point stands that the government applies systemic racism. Sourced it with plenty of sources.

    Not spotting any argument.
     
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    Are you talking about a federal police department?

    The article doesn't mention racism.
     
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    You're not making any argument.
    The article mentions racial disparities.
     
  10. chris155au

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    You're either talking about a federal police department or you are not! You're deliberately not being clear.

    Which doesn't mean racism! Simple!
     
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    I'm referring to what my source says.
    I already proved you wrong on that before.
    The source even mentions: Filed under: Racial Discrimination, Statistics/Trends, U.S. Sentencing Guidelines. Location: United States of America.

    You just don't understand English well enough.
    We've also been through that before.
     
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    Your source says nothing about a federal police department.

    And yet the article doesn't mention racial discrimination or racism!

    Says the person who said "ROLL" instead of ROLE! :roflol:
     
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    It doesn't rule it out. Your point?

    Racial disparities remains the same thing. I sourced it. And so my point stands that I proved systemic racism.

    The difference is that I acknowledge that spelling error.
    Yet you remain to be unaware what words mean all the time.
     
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    Well it doesn't rule it IN! So why even talk about federal police departments?

    No it does not mean the same thing as racism. Not every racial disparity is due to racism.
     
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    YOU talk about it, since YOU brought it up in post 1281. My post stands:
    I put up -I think it was- 7 sources. One of them is from HRW about the police and racial profiling for drugs.
    And here you are disputing on that specific source the police is not an American governmental agency.
    You've sank so low. It's hysterically funny.


    I sourced that I am right long ago, and I add that my source says it is is filed under racism.
    All you got is an unfounded opinion.
     
  16. chris155au

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    And I don't spot where the federal government is INCLUDED!

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    Already replied to this. And you're not making any argument.
    My point stands that I proves systemic racism.

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    Your pic about economic disparity makes no sense at all, while your too childish to respond to my remark that the entire article has been filed under racism.
     
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    My argument is very simple. Federal government is not included!

    The mention of "economic disparities" is an example of how the word is used in a sentence. The definition is "a great difference." Nothing to do with racism. Racial disparity = great racial difference.
     
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    My argument is very simple. I proved systemic racism... and you edited my argument out to troll around a source that doesn't mention if the feds are included or excluded.

    And the only difference they found is the color of the skin. Har har.
    You're just ignoring that the US sentencing commission filed this under racism in order to cook up it has nothing to do with racism, while also disregard that the only difference they got is the color of the skin.
    Utterly childish.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Isn't your whole point that there is a difference of prison sentencing? Yes, there is a "disparity" or "great difference" in sentencing between blacks and whites. However, this doesn't mean that the reason for this is racism.

    Actually, the US sentencing commission has NOT filed this under racism, because it wasn't their article. Your source, 'Prison Legal News' filed their article under "racial discrimination." See here: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...commission-report-racial-disparities-persist/
     
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    I note you're no longer disputing I proved systemic racism with my 7 sources... since you edited my point out a second time.
    Or is it even 8? I lost count at the US sentencing commission and the source proving black people get discriminated on their ethnic names.

    Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders.
    https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

    Make it 9 sources.

    And so it stands. Even the US government found that black people are treated harsher when the receive a penalty for their crime in similar situations compared to white people.
    The pure essence of systemic racism at it's finest.

    It goes from disproportionately hunting them down black people doing drugs / driving around even when white people commit the crime just as often or even more often, to giving them harsher penalties when in court. It is at every turn by the US government. Society is uglier, where ethnic black names are not invited for interviews with similar resume's.

    Despite you keep trolling on an never ending stream of questions with no argument, we can wrap it up.
     
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  22. chris155au

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    Nothing in that USSC page about racism!
     
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    Yeah... just black people getting harsher sentences under the exact same circumstances compared to white people. The skin color is the only difference they were able to find... and here you are making the argument that it's not about racism, because using controle-F doesn't get you to find the word "racism".

    Your argument is just trolling rubbish, by flat out ignoring what it is about.
    My sources stand that I proved systemic racism.
     
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    Where does it say in the report that skin color is the only difference?
     
  25. notme

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    I quoted it 2 posts ago with a link. :applause:
     
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