Russia launches attacks on Ukraine

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  1. MJ Davies

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    I imagine that condition is downright painful. My condolences.

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    No he didn’t because it never existed. It’s why trump couldn’t enforce it either, it’s not real
     
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    This is just beyond ridiculous. Was ukraine carpet bombing cities full of civilians?
     
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    It is essential that the United States support its democratic NATO allies in resolutely crushing the "savvy genius"'s brutal aggression in his scheme to re-create what Reagan had dubbed the "Evil Empire."

    The previous regime had capriciously withheld essential military assistance from Ukraine for petty, partisans reasons, and had repeatedly attacked the vital role that NATO plays in protecting western Europe.

    Fortunately, those benighted policies did not prevail.

    Trump is undoubtedly grateful to Putin for interfering in the 2016 presidential election to help him and hurt Clinton, and his vendetta against Zelenskyy for refusing to contrive trumped-up criminal charges against the President is obvious, but Citizen Trump's personal affections and resentments cannot be allowed to weaken America's resolve to defend liberty.
     
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    So was the U.S. Congress, but Trump withheld the allocated vital military assistance to pressure Zelinskyy to contrive fake criminal charges against Biden.

    In any event, someone appears to have finally convinced the Loser that praising Putin and crapping on NATO is not helpful.

    It looks as if the Bone Spur Warrior finally noticed that he was goose-waddling in the wrong direction:


    Bam Bam Bannon must have posted on 'Truth Social' that conspicuously fawning over a murderous thug as he is savaging a democracy may not be an astute strategy to win a third term.
     
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    Trump couldn't belch without the left claiming it was some kind of statement of treason. That of course is the product of hate, weakness and an inferiority complex. Trump said it; it must be bad. Biden screws everyone, there must be a good redeeming reason. They believe that like they believe in the sunrise.Except- it's a product of a mindset rather than the nature of the universe.

    And the people who allow their minds to run amuck like that have neither a clue to what they are doing, or any concern whatever over what it is doing to the nation.
     
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    Small minds don't have room for the whole picture- so they don't look, and never understand even the little ones.

    Here's a chart showing US aid to the Ukraine. Note the period of Trump's presidency- 2016-2020- Exceeds all others.

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    If you need to believe that disgust at Trump's praise of Putin as he savages a vulnerable democracy is a matter of partisan churlishness, you are ignoring a preponderance of Republicans sharing patriotic sentiment. Most folks of both parties are not Pooty bum kissers.

    In any event, the Cry Baby Loser has now flip-flopped and is no longer puckering:

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    As you note, Trump's blocking vital military assistance to Ukraine that Congress had voted was illegal, and the aid resumed.

    His attempt to put pressure on Zalinskyy to contrive fake criminal charges against Biden failed, and his attacks on NATO did not succeed either.

     
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    Thanks. Beautiful post. Yes, leadership matters. When I said it doesn't matter who is in the White House, I meant more in terms of how the public and congress criticizes the occupant. Regardless of who is there, the other party and the voters for the other party will always be against whatever that person does. But yes, of course, there are better presidents, average presidents, and weak presidents, with more or less leadership. As for your beautiful William Faulkner words, I'm less optimistic. He said them during the post-war period when things were looking up. Nowadays I think this world is definitely going in the wrong direction.
     
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    Only a fool openly insults people that they will have to confront for the hell of it. Putin speaks of others as if he had no ulterior motives, but then you see he makes a move damn near out of the Nazi playbook to invade Europe. Nothing these people say should be taken as what they actually believe, and I would think you would be wise enough to know that.
    Anyone with the ability to recognize the difference between the capacity to lead and the inability to even remember who you are, would have long ago asked themselves what kind of fools are responsible for putting Biden in the pilots seat of the plane we are all on. The fact you don't speaks volumes. Fire the strong guys, let's hire and *******. Yeah. That's the right plan.
     
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    It's literally dumbfounding to watch the left call Trump's position on the Ukraine aid bad and defend Biden actually doing the same thing to blackmail the Ukraine for family benefit, and seeing nothing wrong.

    You can't have both your foot and your thumb on the scale and think nobody will notice what you're doing, Bumpo.
     
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    1) Trump's unilaterally withholding vital military assistance that had been allocated to Ukraine by Congress was illegal and resumed.

    2) The Loser's attempt to pressure Zelenskyy into contriving fake criminal charges against the loser's opponent failed.

    Both are indisputable.
     
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    That "left" that festers in your noggin is very odd. The concern for the Loser's petty move was bipartisan.

    Senior Republican lawmakers were privately questioning President Donald Trump’s administration over the withholding of U.S. military aid to Ukraine last year, indicating that concerns about the policy extended well beyond senior Trump advisors such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and then-National Security Advisor John Bolton.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/2...an-lawmakers-opposed-withholding-ukraine-aid/

    The Trump administration’s 55-day halt this summer of hundreds of millions of dollars in military assistance and weapons sales to Ukraine was initially unpublicized. What’s now known is that the Defense and State departments, along with an overwhelming majority in Congress, strongly supported assisting Ukraine — a country attempting to fend off Russia’s inroads on its territory.

    But as congressional hearings have made clear, the assistance was opposed by one man: Trump.


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    Trump was not president in 2016, which is when Congress decided to US ramp up the aid, and Trump did everything in his power to stop it. Heck, we was IMPEACHED for refusing to carry it out.
     
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    He did carry it out. Impeachment is nothing but an accusation. What were the results of that accusation? What did Zelensky say about it? Were criminal charges brought forth saying hey, impeach and remove him so we can charge him with this crime?

    Conspiracy theory forum is a bit further down the page.
     
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    It's also indisputable that Putin just indirectly threatened us with nukes twice within a week, and Biden has NOT responded.

    I would tell Putin that if you threaten us one more time with nukes and we declare Ukraine a no fly zone and call your bluff. In any case Biden needs to respond to these threats, and the importance of him doing so is thousands of times the magnitude of the relevance of a Zellensky phone call years ago.

    It is very irresponsible, and frankly weak, to make these threats when no administration aligned against him has come close to this rhetoric.

    After I responded, I'd say secretly, let's me, you, and Zellensky get together tomorrow.
     
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    The failed January 6, 2020 Washington D.C. insurrection was modeled on the successful Ukrainian 2014 Maiden coup

    Cenk, YOU got it wrong! There are no brave fascist heroes in the Ukraine!

    Sam Seder' program got wrong! THE UKRAINE IS FULL OF NOTHING BUT NAZIS AND THEIR RUSSIAN HOSTAGES!

    The answer of what happened on Jan. 6, 2022 in Washington is staring us right in the face.

    Both Republicans and Democrats know all about the origins of the Jan. 6, 2020 fascist attack on the Washington Capitol. Biden knew it then and now, Obama knew it then and now, NeoCon Victoria Nuland (Project of A New American Century) planned it, and Hillary Clinton oversaw the raising of an American financed vicious fascist army to overthrow the Ukrainian government. These officials and the American media are the key actors responsible for creating the 2014 Maiden coup that allowed the Ukrainian Fascists to organize and overthrow the democratically elected Ukrainian government. The failed January 6, 2020 Washington D.C. insurrection was modeled on the successful Maiden coup. Once the Maiden Fascist took control of the Ukraine, they were so corrupt and incompetent that the entire county fell into a eight year simmering civil war, yet the U.S. is still financing both the Ukrainian fascists and the American Republican backed fascists of the Jan. 6, fascist insurrection.

    American politicians are trying to hide their involvement in this massive CIA scheme which resulted in blow-back. When the American CIA formed covert operations to murder Castro, and subcontracted the job to the American mafia, the Cuban mafia, and their White Supremacists relatives (Oswald) to do the job, they turned on JFK and assassinated him---blow-back.

    When the American CIA scanned the entire Middle East to recruit every Jihadist psychopath they could find to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, these same Jihadists later flew passenger airliners into the Pentagon and the New York World Trade Center--more blow-back.

    And now Americans are suffering blow-back from organizing, training, encouraging, and financing the Ukrainian Fascists who were then imported into the United States while the Republicans, Democrats, and the media played dumb.

    This is why the Democrats are treating the deadly Jan 6th fail coup attack like it was just a loud party to conceal their long historical involvement with the Republicans. Trump saw what the US government was doing, and as the mafia always does tried to get in on the action, but failed.

    Biden, Obama, and earlier W. Bush (PNAC supporter) were deeply, deeply involved with the Ukrainian fascist from the start. Biden is up to his neck in all this.

    Here is a refresher history on the Maiden Fascist Coup by Russian history expert Professor Stephen Cohen:

    "A short-lived truce has broken down in Ukraine as street battles have erupted between anti-government protesters and police. Last night the country's embattled president and the opposition leaders demanding his resignation called for a truce and negotiations to try to resolve Ukraine's political crisis. But hours later, armed protesters attempted to retake Independence Square sparking another day of deadly violence. At least 50 people have died since Tuesday in the bloodiest period of Ukraine's 22-year post-Soviet history. While President Obama has vowed to "continue to engage all sides" a recently leaked audio recording between two top U.S. officials reveal the Obama administration has been secretly plotting with the opposition. We speak to Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University. His most recent book, "Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War," is out in paperback. His latest Nation article is "Distorting Russia: How the American Media Misrepresent Putin, Sochi and Ukraine."

    A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup (2014)
     
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    And long after the fact Trump is out of office, you will bitch about Trump and ignore the wort US President in history,who IS in office and failing on every front that a president is responsible for.
    Perhaps if you whine enough about Trump, nobody will realize Biden brings less to the table is worse than the three stooges combined?

    The stooges were actually smart men, comedians playing a part. Biden is for real, actually as inept and incompetent as he demonstrates everyday- and none of you have a clue.

    That makes you qualified to criticize Trump?

    Trump spoke kindly of Kim Jong-un, too. Because you can't negotiate with people you keep insulting- and that's got nothing to do with whether you like them or respect them.
    You need to read up on people skills. Go back to Carniegie's book from the 30's. Trump may decide to run again to clean up the carnage left by the Biden dems. He might just be smart enough to leave the communication lines with Putin intact. God knows Biden isn't.
     
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    But Biden actually did pull the scam Trump was trying to block.... Oh, forgot, you weren't paying attention to that part.
    You didn't look further because you smart too. You know Trump bad, Trump dumb. Tried to control border, keep order. Biden good, Biden nice guy, smart guy. Actually do the alien smuggling for the cartels, so they are more profitable. Invite everyone, give America away. Fire cops. Arson just peaceful protesting. Afghans Americans and $86 billion is military left behind not important. Water flows uphill. Earth is flat. Moon landings were faked.

    We remember Biden's claims about Putin....

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    I think we understand your position pretty well.
     
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    I would not be surprised to see Ukrainian troops go after the soft rear area support areas, the air depots, the fuel dumps, the motor pools, etc. It's a lot easier for a dozen folk to smash aircraft on the ground then at 30.000 feet.
     
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    Great Story :

    A Russian warship hailed a Ukraine ship that was defending an Island and told them to surrender or be killed

    The radio operator to them " Russian Warship Go F$#K Yourself "

    This has become the Ukrainian rallying Cry

    It's being put on Digital message signs throughout Ukraine

    " Go F$#K Yourself "
     
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    How many countries did Putin invade and take over under President Trump?
     
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    And now says they never expected it to work but now sudden it is supposed to work..............leading from behind and getting played.
     

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