Analysis: New "Cold War" with Putin??

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  1. MiaBleu

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    ANALYSIS: 'A major breaking point': Experts see signs of a 'new Cold War' in the West's standoff with Putin

    As the United States and its allies prepare for a long-term confrontation with Russia, current and former U.S. and European officials see it as a contest of wills reminiscent of the Cold War, Dan De Luce of NBC News writes in an analysis. However, Putin’s Russia is arguably in a weaker position than the former Soviet Union, and unlike its economically closed predecessor, vulnerable to international sanctions, experts said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/invest...gxqzSr3ySzjLnVu0kGMNVa9JWzaOaBr/CD/+NC3wjAQAA

    Probability factor: High..
     
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  2. Josh77

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    I think China will be joining Putin's fun before too long.
     
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    No, this is not Cold War. We are already at war with Russia, not everyone just caught up to that fact yet.
     
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    why? what's Russia got to offer? China's economy needs to trade and have access to capital markets - who want's Rubles?
     
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    Russia is one of the few countries that will not look unfavorably on them when they invade Taiwan.
     
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    could be right mate...who knows.....but I think Putin has just made life a bit more difficult for the wannabe tyrant now...West was piss scared of Putin up to a few days ago until a few Ukrainians with a backbone told a tyrant where to shove his "special operation" - suddenly the "west" was shown up and realises maybe cowing to tinpot tyrants isn't such a good idea?
     
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    Killing the present trade market China has with the USA would devastate their economy and result in the closure of many of their manufacturing factories and the layoff of millions of workers. They would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
     
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    Lol, their seems to be a lot of that going around, seeing how Russia has seemingly shot itself in the foot with its invasion. These authoritarians seem to not care. We'll see if China follows Russia's example.
     
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    I agree - if Russian economy was like that of the USSR then China could have options, but now, with the economy the size of Italy, I just don’t see this happening.
     
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    China can’t because it will have no customers. Does anyone realistically expect Russia to be able to buy as much stuff from China as the entire western world?
     
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    China is less of a dictatorship than Russia. It's more of an authoritarian regime in China.
     
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    well putin warn about the war. we just didn't seem to care before.

     
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    Seems you are right.......and we have not been paying enough attention...........like for the last decade.:disbelief:
     
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    Both sides would suffer immensely, just in different ways.
     
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    Yep, the West thought Putin's erratic talk about breaking Nato’s encirclement and restoring Russia’s dominion was an act and the shrewd politician ready to do deals was the real Putin. It was the opposite.
     
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    It's not a cold war, it's a hot war in case you didn't notice. This is from a Greek site:

    "...Russia is making preparations for a global conflict as Putin signed a decree decoupling the country from the World Internet.

    This means that Russia considers itself to be under cyberattack by NATO and therefore enters a state of war with the NATO-led Alliance..."
     
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    Oh well if you say so, it must be true.:roll:
     
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    Nice sarcasm from someone who only reads news supportive of Russia invading countries around it! :roll:

    You only need to look at the dates for when the rules were bent to allow Putin and Xi to become life-time leaders. Xi is just starting out.
     

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    The mess he's made hasn't covered the Russian military with glory.
     
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    The suggestion seems to be tat a cold war will follow the current"hot' war....

    Putin is very paranoid......... and that makes him delusional and unpredictably predictable


    If he believes he can take on the whole world.............. and acts on it..........then everyone loses.

    sheer insanity....
     
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    No, Comrade. If your Premier is shutting down the internet in Russia, it’s because he’s afraid of his own people seeing and hearing the truth.
     
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    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
     
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    What news supportive of Russia? LOL. There's barely any pro-Russian News. Maybe there is some more balanced programming like Tucker Carlson. Dissenting coverage of the Ukraine Conflict by entire outlets is substantively illegal, if not unlawful, in the United States. Lately, Russia has responded in kind by making coverage of the war illegal in their country and Ukraine.

    Also, I think your distinction between oligarchy or dictatorship and 'authoritarian regime' is splitting hairs. China and Russia are Fascist Dictatorships or Oligarchies. This is due to that fact that no one is sure whether power is completely reserved by a single man, or the party that gave them their support or vote and shut down opposition in a similar manner to Hitler, Lenin, and Napoleon. They all controlled means of production in contrast to the nonsensical college analysis that Nazi Germany was Capitalist cause there were enriched elites in control of the business just like in every society. They were all globalist and progressives like Marx in the literal and extreme sense, and wanted to be the rulers of global economy as opposed to members of the community. They are all revolutionaries that took advantage of the to attain power, but hated disorder as Napoleon stated before gaining status among aristocratic French Society by firing cannons at the protestors in Paris in order to quell the rebellion.

    And why is worse to invade nations around you as opposed to going halfway around the world to invade a country so Cheney can profit from a long-term, never-ending war in the Middle East that would have never happened if the US hadn't propped up Saddam, the Iran Contra Campaign, and ISIS. It's not irrelevant. People on TV keep saying that we're seeing the true colors of Russia, but I've spent the last two decades seeing the true colors of the US Intelligence Agency and Establishment Politicians profiting off foreign and domestic policy turmoil. Things are not as they appear on the news.

    I just looked at a map of Russian Allies over the past decade, and their supporters and economic partners that are apathetically rubber-stamping Russia's actions in Ukraine. They've seemed to have gained more allies with China in Africa and South American. Even Mexico is supporting them, and Israel doesn't want to get involved on behalf of the US given that the current Biden and John Kerry are actively screwing them and the Alliance with Gulf States. Gas has risen to $130 a barrel, Copper has hit a record of $5, and Agricultural supplies have shattered records already. Europe is about to lose an agricultural powerhouse, Natural Gas and Oil Supplies, and their own version of Mexican Immigrants that cheaply provide cheap labor. I see the play Russia is making right now, and I'm genuinely impressed with the strategy of creating cheap armies that's focused on controlling and securing ground in the same way Israel does in their country. I'm not sure who's going to win the economic war, because I'm not so sure all of the NATO Allies are genuinely providing support.
     
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    Rubles are good - they are cheap at a penny each.
     
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    Yeah. I agree with you that that's the logic behind the whole cold war theory, but I don't think the NATO countries or the US are confident in their position of long-term sanctions and embargoes.

    No. Putin is not paranoid. The suffocation of Russia by overthrowing the governments around to pro-western nations has been foreign policy for several decades, and Putin has been completely aware of the anti-Russian sentiment of the party coming into power after Trump. For the last two weeks, Western Media has been accusing Russia of deliberately targeting Ukrainian Citizens when they've been reporting in their country that they were waiting to advance so people can escape from the devastating attacks on major cities. This seems rational. In fact, the Israeli Air Force used to drop paper leaflets on areas they were about to attack.

    Putin doesn't have to take on the whole world, and you're a fool if you think the whole world is trying to go up against the Russian Army given that China and Russia have a significant role in food and energy markets in Africa, the ME, and South/Central America. This is the pitfalls of globalism and open borders: Pandemic; Extreme Internal and External Migration; and enemies leveraging their economies so they can use economic politics to punk all the liberal white dummies in the western countries.

    I've been saying for over year that if I was Russia or China, I'd make a move for as many countries as possible whether it be an annexation or modern-day vassalization. It was the obvious play as soon as Biden walked into the Oval Office. Those that didn't see this coming or what's coming for Taiwan, should probably take some time to learn more about the situation. The Caspian is good channel on Youtube for Geopolitical Analysis. Guy has been spot on for a decade.
     

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