Looks like sanctions will be lifted on Venezuela.

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    But that's not the tough one, we need to lift sanctions on Iran even more. They can easily get oil to Europe.

    Still, we're not seeing a lot of good news, and that is good news.
     
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    A reason may be that our refineries do an efficient job refining their heavy crude vs gulf light crude.
    Personally, we should take Maduro down since its benefactor Russia is preoccupied. And Cuba on the way home.
     
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    Do you have any proof to your opinion?
     
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    Also, and I have already stated this, might have to kowtow to the prince of Saudi Arabia. He is salivating over the prospect, and it will probably work. If SA agrees to boost output it will always has an influence on the crude market. It would be easy to do, but not be good politically for the Administration.

    Also concerning S.A. at this point. This is called leverage, he wants us to beg and it will probably work. It has worked in the past, remember he does not really care about Russia or the United States and will lean towards whoever gives him the most support.
     
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    So much, for moral high- ground.
     
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    With the caveat that this has not been an area of especially close attention, for me, my understanding is that your article sketches a much more accurate image of the situation, than the way you picture it, yourself. MBS realizes that his way of operating is on the outs, with America, in lieu of another Trump Presidency. When we withdrew our support from his, nearly genocidal, war in Yemen, he actually got in real trouble, and was only saved by the intercession of Russia, with new equipment for them.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A4268

    It is interesting-- because all the shady leaders, with whom Putin deals, realize that his loyalties are only to himself-- that Vlad can get away with playing both sides of the table, this way. We, however, could not. Should we grovel for MBS & endorse whatever he does, that would nix any chance of our making progress with Iran, with which Putin seems to have good relations, despite their being the ones who the Saudis were fighting, in Yemen, through proxies.

    You are right that MBS doesn't care but for that he gets his way, & at the moment, that seems a much surer bet, from Putin, than from the U.S. If we did play hypocrite, on the world stage, and got fully behind MBS, he might well lead us into another Middle East mess. It might be less risky, and maybe even more predictable, if we could negotiate a coolly bracing detente with Iran, with neither of us under any illusions of friendship, rather than to fall in, as thick as thieves, with a Saudi nation, led by an unstable MBS.
     
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    Oh I agree there are certain negatives in dealing with S.A.
    My point is if you want an immediate resolution and effect on the market you kowtow to S.A. more so than you would Iran, both have an impact. Geopolitical consequences noted, but dealing with S.A. will have the largest effect on the oil market.
     
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    There is no such thing as moral high ground in war. Only might matters.
     
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    Congratulations: that is precisely the ideology which the world, & we, are standing up against, toward Russia.
     
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    Yep and right now Russia is using their might to forcefully invade and annex another country into his borders. While we sit on our moral high ground and tell him how he should stop. Sounds like might is winning.
     
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    We'll see.


    Principle does not work as quickly as Might, but can ultimately prevail, through its greater endurance.
     
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    The problem is you have no “principle” to begin with.
     
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    You, apparently, have no idea what you're talking about. You need first, a clue, before you can have an "argument."
     
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    I repeat: You have principle.
     
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    Ah... an extrajudicial murder on a leader of an other country.
    You support terrorism when you feel like it.

    And your idea to go through Cuba on your way home.
    You sound like a Putin.
     
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    Iran wants to get back to pumping oil to Europe. What is it that you think needs proof??
     
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    Do you want to get more oil, or create another failed state (which will cost us big time) and not get more oil before this crisis ends?
     
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    I have no explanation for the white house. I can't even believe people think like they do.
     
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    I know the feeling, which is why I need you to tell us what you are trying to say.
     
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    You wouldn't understand. You think like the white house does.
     
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    I know Iran wants to in the past. It was part of the original Iran deal in 2015, assuming they meet the desired conditions. However, considering you are referring in your OP that the Biden Administration will acquiesce on recent demands is the proof I am wanting you to provide from your OP, not just your opinion.
     
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    Lifting sanctions on iran is moronic. They pay for terrorism against our soldiers and have been for decades. That’s completely stupid to pay for a product that will fund attacks on our soldiers and against our allies interests in Yemen that will also be used to attack them. What a dumb idea. If Biden does this he’s asking for real problems
     
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    It's a question of priorities. Trump killing the nuke deal was nuts, it made no sense. Doing this will start repairing our relationship with Iran, while getting more oil to Europe.

    And we have done horrible things to them. The past is the past. It doesn't have to be the future, it's why we have diplomats. If you remember, Iran started behaving better after Obama sealed the deal. Please don't lie about the deal, sleazy politics at this moment could be tragic.

    The oil will go to Europe, we won't be paying.

    I"m glad we don't have any real problems now!
     
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    Diplomacy happens behind close doors. If they get some sort of deal, they will announce it. That they didn't rule it out means they are working on it..
     
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    First laugh of the day!

    Thanks.

    I harbor this suspicion that understanding would not be a problem...
     

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