What is a woman?

Millions of "exceptions" nullifies the ARBITRARY "rule".

 

I SUPPORT your "liberty" to post BOVINE EXCREMENT.

I will REFRAIN from making any BASELESS allegations regarding your "mental state".

Instead I will let the CONTENT of YOUR own posts allow everyone to make that determination for themselves.

 

I am referring to North Carolina a few years ago where hours of their state government were spent debating the layout of public toilets.
Utterly bonkers.

 

That is...absolutely the best description of this I have ever read. Well done. If I could *like* this more than once, I would.

 

The whole "binary" thing is stupid. You can't just de-label your gender. That's just a word. You can call it whatever you want but the underlying thing you're describing never changed. If you're physically female, you're a female, no matter how much testosterone or estrogen you have, no matter what you feel like in your brain. That means that some folks may feel like a woman(or vice versa), even though they are actually the opposite gender. Their gender never changes, only their perception of themselves.

That much is fine and understandable. Where the conflict lies is when those folks expect the entire world to recognize them based on their gender identity, not their gender. And when they gallingly try to tell us what pronouns we're allowed to use.

I will never call a singular person They or Them unless they've changed their name to They or Them. That fad is mind numbingly stupid.

 

Agreed!

An egregious WASTE of taxpayer funds.

 

I am NEITHER entirely male nor entirely female.

I am BOTH male and female.

I have physical attributes of BOTH male and female.

I can think like a man and think like a woman.

I was BORN this way!

The ONLY thing you got remotely correct is that my gender has NEVER changed because it has ALWAYS been BOTH male and female.

Someone BORN with FEMALE genitalia can still have a MALE gender and vice versa.

Therein lies the CRUX of the DILEMMA!

Those of us BORN somewhere along the SPECTRUM between Male and Female should NOT be FORCED to conform to ARBITRARY stereotypes that do NOT fit who WE are.

First and foremost we are PERSONS!

Our GENDER is WHO we are and NOT whatever you DEMAND that we must be in order to ensure that YOU do not feel UNCOMFORTABLE around us.

We were the ones who SUCKED it up for DECADES and we have had ENOUGH already.

WE get to DECIDE who we are and if that makes YOU uncomfortable then SOBEIT.

Your DEMANDS are no longer relevant as far as WE are concerned.

And for the record my PRONOUNS are he, she and we.

 

Of course you get to decide who you are. Everyone does. And it's perfectly normal for there to be a personality spectrum that is not solely masculine or feminine, but a blend.

But you don't get to change objective reality. Your gender was set at conception. Everything you just described is gender identity. Gender identity is fluid. Gender is not.

There's nothing wrong with gender identity, even if your identity does not mach your physical gender. But your physical gender exists regardless of your gender identity. In many people, they match. In others, they do not. But the gender never changes.

It's got nothing to do with comfort levels or morality, and everything to do with objectivity. Gender is fixed at birth, whether you're one gender like the vast majority of people, or you're born hermaphroditic. Hormone levels do not affect gender, but they may affect gender identity. Once again, nothing wrong with that. The only thing wrong is the thinking that you can choose your gender based solely on mental characteristics.

 

I've spent a number of hours in the cockpit of an F4U Corsair fighter. I was 11, the deactivated and missing a few parts plane sat at a small airfield near my house. I had a leather helmet, a pair of goggles, a flight jacket- or something kind of like one. The man that owned the airfield and the plane didn't object. So, If I put on a pilot's gear and sit in a pilot's seat and pretend I'm flying that fighter - I'm a fighter pilot? Yes; In my mind, I could tell myself I was that, for a while. But the plane, and it's adolescent pilot... never flew, except in the fantasy facilitated by the trappings. Had I sat in that plane 24/7, that would still be true.

I can agree that being a woman is not just a matter of appendages and plumbing, and the same is true for a man. But- those who do qualify for the titles of man or woman are still male or female- determined by their appendages and plumbing, and their genetic identity. Children are male or female, but not yet men or women because that requires recognition and self-acceptance- mental maturities.
State of mind is not a gender defining thing.

There have been people attempting to be what they are not since time began. Illusions, imitations, facsimiles... may change appearances, but not the simple biological realities.
There are aberrations which include people with genetic defects or irregularities, some commonly known as hermaphrodites, but not only that.
Such aberrations, either physical or mental, do not constitute a third gender nor a transient gender- but a genetic abnormality. Physical abnormalities are accidental; the same as being born with extra fingers.
Physical abnormalities are usually surgically corrected- but until recently, we did not intentionally surgically create abnormalities; as that is both unethical and unnatural . Now... we allow that to accommodate the mental abnormalities we can't correct, which are also accidental, but not visible.

In effect- we now have a third category. Males, females- and "other". The last category could also include- Confused, I don't know, I think I am, Chicks with dicks, etc- but all are still male or females mentally desiring to find themselves, make themselves feel whole by pretending to be something other than what they are. I don't deny them the right to do so; I do deny the obligation to act as if that pretense actually changed their gender or gives them the right to violate gender defined services or activities.

 

What they are, what they do, and how they feel has nothing to do with us personally. It is not illegal. I suggest we leave them alone to think their own thoughts do their own thing as long just as we expect that from others.

 

Two X’s. What you describe is female biological sex. Woman is the cultural correlate of that, but there is much more to gender than just having babies. How they dress, talk, socialize, all of the things in how we interact with each other is cultural.

I wouldn’t know. I’m a male by default and don’t care about gender roles except in choosing a sexual partner. But it doesn’t matter because it’s their life and their right. I think it’s nuts that people believe in the Jesus delusion myself, but I still need to respect that delusion in some contexts like work. It would be hard to be somebody who identifies with a culture or aspect of culture one cannot fully join. Like a white person who grew up in Japan may feel Japanese but wouldn’t physically appear that way. Is it better to join as well as they can, or live according to how conservatives think they should? That’s a question only an individual can answer for themselves.

 

Women talk like men especially these days, a dress is just a look I can put on a dress it doesn't make me into a woman and women were blue jeans and button down shirts and that doesn't make them into men.

So then woman is a meanlingless term.

 

Men and women are distinctly different. No amount of remodeling...mental or physical...changes that reality.

 

So you get to pretend to be the other sex? Pretending is fluid.

Let me ask you this reflecting on current world situations. Say Lea Thompson was Ukraine and was swimming on a women's college swimming team in Ukraine when the war broke out. Women and children start heading to the borders to leave, the President issues his order no men between the ages of 18 and 55 can leave they must stay and fight. So Thompson gets to the border and the guard says "No you cannot leave you are not a woman", he replies ""The very simple answer is that I'm not a man. I'm a woman, so I belong on the women...." as he told Sports Illustrated in an interview. So what should happen?

What is a woman?

 

Ahhhh I am the one who has stated that biology defines a woman..................try reading more slowly. Hormones are a PRODUCT of our gender you can't change that gender by taking hormones.

I'll ask you too reflecting on current world situations. Say Lea Thompson was Ukraine and was swimming on a women's college swimming team in Ukraine when the war broke out. Women and children start heading to the borders to leave, the President issues his order no men between the ages of 18 and 55 can leave they must stay and fight. So Thompson gets to the border and the guard says "No you cannot leave you are not a woman", he replies ""The very simple answer is that I'm not a man. I'm a woman, so I belong on the women...." as he told Sports Illustrated in an interview. So what should happen?

What is a woman?

 

And it defines the norm and I have already given you me definition.

Woman = the female of the human species.

 

Nope by far variations, mutations, do not survive or replicate. When two males or two females can create a child together let me know when that variation occurs and is genetically transferred to offspring as a genetic trait.

 

See above.

 

What makes you so sure about that? I know a heterosexual man who likes to dress in drag because he finds it amusing to be mistaken for a woman. He has a pretty face, which helps. If I had a pic, I don't think even you would be able to tell he wasn't female from birth.

I'm guessing you haven't spent much time around people who aren't like you. No insult intended, I could be wrong, but it seems like here, as on another thread about a transgender woman, you guys lack information and aren't really interested in actually knowing what you're talking about. Ignorance in the age of information is a choice.

 

My entire post was about how it's wrong to pretend that your gender changes because your gender identity does. My personal opinion is the only thing that can change your gender is sex reassignment process. No, it doesn't change your chromosomes, but it does allow some objective basis for the change in gender. More so than just a person saying I'm a woman when they are male. If you're willing to take that step, I'll honor it. That's just my personal opinion though.

But that's only for gender. Gender identity is not anatomical so it is not limited by the physical.

 

My view is that a woman is someone who has XX chromosomes. Most people who identify as trans do not have chromosomal abnormalities, so that's not really the issue here.

As far as psychology, virtually all humans have both masculine and feminine characteristics. Very few people are 100% girly-girl or 100% manly-man, and they'd probably be pretty one dimensional if they were. Trans people just have more personality traits of the opposite gender. However, that doesn't change their physiology. Biological sex is written in stone, and neither psychology nor altering the shape of genitalia can change that.

 

Which of the following is a woman?

 

Sex reassignment does NOT change your sex, your gender. You can do it by mutilating your body anymore than that guy made himself look like a cat is a cat now. It's pretend.

Again

Let me ask you this reflecting on current world situations. Say Lea Thompson was Ukraine and was swimming on a women's college swimming team in Ukraine when the war broke out. Women and children start heading to the borders to leave, the President issues his order no men between the ages of 18 and 55 can leave they must stay and fight. So Thompson gets to the border and the guard says "No you cannot leave you are not a woman", he replies ""The very simple answer is that I'm not a man. I'm a woman, so I belong on the women...." as he told Sports Illustrated in an interview. So what should happen?

 

Any flavor you like.


Sweet or salty. It's all good!

 

HORMONES are PHYSICAL characteristics in the same way that GENITALS are.

That is an OBJECTIVE biological FACT and hormones DO affect gender which is ANOTHER objective biological FACT.

Someone is born with XY DNA and a vagina so are they MALE or FEMALE according to YOU?

Someone is born with XX DNA and a penis so are they MALE or FEMALE according to YOU?

Someone is born with BOTH a penis AND a vagina so are they MALE or FEMALE according to YOU?

ALL of the above COMBINATIONS result in PERSONS!

WHO they DECIDE they are OVERRIDES whatever you DEMAND they must be.