DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    You were referring to the birth of America and the ending of slavery in America weren't you?
     
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    Yes indeed. But if the “God-given right” was that all men were created equal, that right must have existed since the beginning of time.
     
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    It is YOU that is PROJECTING with your STRAWMAN!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights

    The ONLY part you are correct about is the timing however YOUR denial that your FALLACIES are not contained within the bible is DISINGENOUS.

    The Constitution is based entirely upon DEFINED LEGAL RIGHTS and not "natural rights".

    FACTS matter!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    IRONIC coming from a SUPPORTER of the LYING biggest *LOSER*!

    Priceless!

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    ANY and ALL attempts by THEISTS to IMPOSE their BELIEFS on We the People is a bridge too far!

    Banning abortion is a bridge too far!

    Discrimination against LBGTQ is a bridge too far!

    Clearly YOU have no problem with those VIOLATIONS of the 1st Amendment by YOUR elected THEIST representatives.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your DENIAL of your ongoing FAILURES does NOT alter the REALITY of your failures.

    Sad!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Meaningless QUIBBLE does NOT support your baseless allegation.

    :roflol:
     
  8. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. No straw man on my end.

    Let's recap:

    You made a laughably erroneous and uninformed claim about the origin of our rights and I responded to it directly and refuted it. Again:

    1)Our INHERENT, INALIENABLE individual natural rights are NOT granted by "We the People", and they are NOT granted by ANY government or constitution.

    2) Our Constitution affirms rights, it does NOT grant them, our Constitution prohibits the government from violating those rights and enumerates the powers granted to the government.

    3) The government exists to uphold our rights, it does NOT grant them. The only things the government can grant are privileges, NOT rights.

    Furthermore, to belabor the point, "We the People" do not grant rights, either. Our rights are inherent within every individual.

    Those were and remain my points, and as any literate individual can see, there is no mention of the STRAW MAN you keep propping up - the Bible.

    STRAW MAN.

    I never mentioned, much less discussed or debated, anything about the Bible in my post, nor do I have to when discussing the origin of our INHERENT, INALIENABLE individual natural rights.

    Some may argue that our rights are derived from God, and that's their argument to make, not mine, and it's an argument that one doesn't need to make to refute the erroneous proposition that our rights are granted to us either by "We the People" and/or any government and/or constitution.

    I suggest you consider and contemplate the alternatives. William of Ockham laid them out for you almost 800 years ago.

    LOL - Yes, fact do matter, and you're wrong - our Constitution is NOT "based entirely upon defined legal rights", and the presence of the Bill of Rights should have made that plain and clear to you.

    Ultimately, the Constitution is all about the recognition and affirmation of our individual natural rights and the establishment of a government that is instituted to secure those rights. It is not merely an extension of any body of positive law, be it English common law, Roman civil law or any form of canon law. It was written and instituted to secure the inherent, inalienable natural rights of every individual, which were broadly expressed in the preamble of the DOI and specifically affirmed in the COTUS/BOR. The framework of our tricameral system of government and the enumeration, i.e., LIMITATION, of the government's powers in our Constitution were and are all instituted to serve the purpose of securing the inherent, inalienable natural rights that every individual possesses and the government cannot grant and/or take away.

    On a broader, philosophical, human and historical level, the American Revolution and our Constitution are the culmination of the ages-long struggle to establish and secure the inherent, inalienable natural rights of the individual.
     
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    That’s because there are no God-given rights.
    The only rights we enjoy are those agreed on and granted by society.
     
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    When the reaction of the parents would be detrimental to the mental or physical health of the child, then I would have to disagree with you.
     
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    In other words you have no argument at all to counter my point.
     
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    odd, you've managed to avoid any logical explanation when your misinformation was called out 3 times in this thread alone.
     
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    There was no mis information on this thread coming from me. You disagreeing with what I said does not make what I said mis information.
     
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    Uh, when you tell people here that out of nowhere miracles are gonna happen and people will suddenly do magic while xtians look the other way because it's supervillains and things like that you are most certainly spreading misinformation. would you like a quote of the fiction you've dropped in this thread?
     
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    You calling other people religious beliefs and their expression of such as misinformation is the height of sheer condescending arrogance on your part. Again, you disagreeing with my beliefs in this area too does not make what I believe misinformation even if you can’t stand the sight of people you disagree with expressing their beliefs on any given issue or subject
     
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    when you try and tell people that supernatural insanity is coming and that only your brand of mythology has the upper hand based on no facts whatsoever you are indeed filling the world with misinformation.
    This isn’t about agreeing this is about complete fabrication of insanity on your part. It’s not that I care who believes what, but if you make up insane, illogical threats to society you’re gonna face some hilarious questions.
    But I’m arrogant for not buying your magical story…
     
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    Whether you or anyone decides to believe Biblical prophecy about end times events leading up to the 2nd coming is a faith matter for each to decide their eternal fate. It is a rational faith we have, not misinformation or insanity.
     
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    there is nothing rational about what you claimed. Blathering about real life super heroes and super villains doing magic, magic based on your preferred collection of stories, is no better than claiming Harry Potter is real and you’d better watch out for Malfoy.
     
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    The idea of human rights is largely the product of the Enlightenment, a few centuries ago.

    Rights are a social construct. One of the rules of history is you can't apply modern standards to historical situations. It's more complicated than that, but you get the idea.

    The earliest texts talk about obligations to society, which is often expressed as a debt. You can find that discussion in Debt: the first 5,000 years.

    You can find something analogous to what you're saying there.

    https://www.amazon.com/Debt-Tenth-A...swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1647524483&sr=8-1
     
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  20. Injeun

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    If Jefferson51 is referring to these words by Jesus Christ as testified to by Matthew his Disciple 24:7, it is a prophecy and a warning to everyone to take heed.

    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

    Granted that each day springs anew as it has for thousands of years of recorded human history, without the world ending. But is God staying his judgment in the lengthening of our days a testimony of the rightness of our way. Or is it evidentiary of his mercy in calling us to repentance. Or is it perhaps just another day on earth in the endlessness of space. And we are beholden to nothing but the justice of man. It is to us to judge. But what do we of ourselves really know of anything for certain.
     
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    I’m not saying anything. I was asking for a couple of people to list what they claim are all of the so-called “God-given rights”. Because I don’t see that the Bible lists any such rights.
     
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    Ahh, oh well.

    Still, the book is really good.
     
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    I think that this applies here:
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    I’m aware of the context here. However there is no actual evidence that that conversation ever took place.
    None. There’s no more reason to base anything in life or any plans one may have on something not only as vague as that but with no clarity.
    That’s why Harry Potter is as real as any of the myths from thousands of years ago. His statement could well be attributed to any mythology so a ounce of logic says treat magical stories for what they are, not what a whimsical mind can project.
     
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    no, you use that because you have no way to substantiate any of your silly claims.
    I get it. You like to make silly claims for one religion but when an eye for detail and logic comes around you’d rather play the victim.
    Malfoy is a bigger problem than anything warned about in all religions combined. You should probably learn the difference between atheist and agnostic.
     

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