China warns of 'worst consequences' for any country that supports Taiwan militarily

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your score is typical of most Republicans in US. Their stance on many social issues puts them in authoritarian territory, but not in full-tyrant territory.

    Don't re-take it to get a different score. This score came from the heart.
     
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    Yes, however all of our great brands I liked growing up went to China. It flat makes me mad. I started working in the era of watching this happen. Clinton’s policies along with George bush senior have easy pathway to exit the states. All of our popular boot manufacturers jumped ship, Dewalt jumped ship, Apple jumped ship, wrangler, Levi, and many more. Not only did we increase imports from foreign countries, our own manufacturers became imports to us as well.
     
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    And the really sad part is it was done with bipartisan support and taxpayer monies were used to subsidize the manufacturing moves overseas.
     
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    What, are you thinking of cheating?


    EDIT: I just noticed, @Pro_Line_FL is further RIGHT than you-- economically- speaking (though you're more Socially Authoritarian; yes, Pro_Line, I know, you're still on the Libertarian side of the line).
     
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    Makes me wonder the logic in some of those questions. Cause I think authoritarianism is forcing a baker to bake a cake for someone he may not want to. Others would argue in the reverse.
     
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    Lol I just don’t understand the results I suppose. I thought I would be a little authoritarian but way further right
     
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    Not only products, but people too. I worked for a US company in 2002 when they opened an office in India. We had 200+ employees in our FL office and lost 30+ folks in the first wave of lay-offs, including my wife-to-be. Then we were asked to train the Indians and we saw another 4-6 people get laid off every few months until in 2014 there was only 10 of us left and the office space cut to few cubicles and a meeting room. That's when I left, and I should have left much earlier.

    It sucks, but it's what pro-business people (typically Republicans) have always wanted. The argument is that its "free markets economy" and when businesses make profits, it trickles down to everyone. Of course letting corporations to maximize their profits is what free markets economy is all about, but its rich when the negatives begin to outweigh the positives, the very people who made it happen blame everyone else and start talking about the 'elites' and evils of globalism. It wasn't just Clinton and Bush, it was everyone, including Reagan and lawmakers. most of the support coming from the GOP side. I probably would have voted for it too. It sounded like a great idea and sold under the banner of capitalism. Opposition to it was labeled un-American.

    The vote on NAFTA in 1993
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    Republican 132=YEA 43=NO
    Democrat 102=YEA 156=NO
    independent 0=YEA 1=NO
     
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    Interesting. I come up as left libertarian.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have taken it a number of times and always end up in the same square and more or less in the same spot within the square.

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    NAFTA was bad but not as bad as the proposed deal under Obama and I’m glad that one never seen the light of day.
     
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    That deal was also pushed heavily by US corporations under the banner of capitalism, and it would have cut tariffs to almost nothing between our biggest trading partners, and put China in a pretty hard spot, but its a moot point now. Fake arguments were made to oppose it, and then Trump pulled US out of it without having any clue what it was all about, and instead imposed sky-high tariffs on US consumers. It is what it is. Water under the bridge.
     
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    We should not agree to a trade deal with any nation that manipulates its currency. If we banned tariffs they would just manipulate currencies to give themselves the advantage again. I would never make a trade deal with China and support its downfall 100%.
     
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    China was not in the deal. One of the main goals of TPP was to create an economic coalition which can put pressure to China. Who knows what comes of it now that US is not in it.

    The other trade agreement with EU (TTIP) would have cut tariffs between US and EU to pretty much zero, and that was killed too for partisan reasons, and massive tariffs were implemented in its place.
     
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    Yeah, it was really to put a strong leash on China but the RW narrative AKA spin, ended up winning the day.
     
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    They controlled the House and Senate so all they had to so is wait for Obamas term to end, which it did.

    But as pointed out, there is always something good and something bad that comes out of everything. NAFTA has been demonized to death by those who started raving about "globalism", but over the decades it has benefitted the US and the partners quite nicely, Even the most vocal opponents didn't do away with it, they just renamed it. LOL.

    NAFTA more than quadrupled trade in 20 years and it lowered prices on groceries and oil in the US, but at the same time it moved factories (like for cars) from US to Mexico.

    Win some, lose some, and if you win more than you lose, then its worth it.
     
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    If tariffs are not in play then what’s to stop our manufacturers from going over seas to cheaper wages? Was there a safeguard in TTP for that?
     
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    You prefer government intervention to punish pro free market manufacturers for making decisions to maximize their profits. See, this is one of the reasons you found yourself in the authoritarian corner. Well, at least we agreed there are potential pros and cons in everything.
     
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    Agree with the "Stop buying Chinese Products" part.. the rest is nonsense - The threat of Nukes are real .. limits the moves on the board - something these freaken neocon moron pundits .. with title like "General" or "Chief of Staff" or "Representative from Ohio" seem to have forgotten.

    Yes .. lets give them as much weaponry as they want .. The Palestinian's too .. and the Houthi's - They need some serious weapons to fight off Big Brother Saud and friends .. Iran should be given a nuke .. why not .. stabilize the balance of power in the middle east .. one to Syria as well to quell Israeli aggression.
     
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    the tariffs didn't work, look at trade deficit between china and US in 2020, its even higher compare to 2018. it basically tax on american consumers
     
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    So I took them both. I took the political compass one first and felt like the questions it was asking me wouldn’t give a good view of who I was lol I was right.

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    According to that I’m about as centrist as they come lol

    Then I took the Pew Research one and they labeled me a faith and flag conservative. Far more accurate lol

    I’d be interested to see what @Pro_Line_FL gets on the pew research one
     
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    Or we could just turn Israel into a Middle East Disneyland and the rest of the Middle East into a giant glass parking lot. Then we won’t have to worry about it anymore.
     
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    What ever it takes to put a leash on the Bad Actors causing Trouble in the ME .. Israel should never have been given nuke to begin with ..
     
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    Hey, another Greenie, like me (the color of that lower left box). @Pro_Line_FL is a Violet (lower right), @Joe knows is a Blue (upper right), and @ShadowX is a Red (upper left), though, this has led Shadow to be dubious of the test's accuracy; as he notes, his rating puts him pretty damn close to dead center, which is not where I would think of him as being, either. Then again, maybe my sense of ShadowX was wrong-- I think most of our disagreements had been on Social, not Economic, issues. Also, it's possible that my concept of what represents the True "Center," is off.

    So I'm now curious to check the Pew test. Maybe, depending on your views, the additional questions in the political compass test actually distort your rating, rather than refine it's accuracy; that is, maybe the more basic, 12- question Pew test is more accurate in some cases, & in others, the two tests give similar results.

    So, what were your numbers? It put me at -5.63 Left, on the Economic Axis, and -3.69 Liberal, on the Social Axis.
     
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    I already posted my Pew score:

    My score:
    Political Typology Quiz

    Your best fit is…
    Ambivalent Right
    … along with 12% of the public


    Ambivalent: having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something or someone.
     
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    Well the Pew test confirms Pro_Line, as a Righty:
    That IS the color of the Liberal- Right box, in the political compass test.

    It might just make you an unusual basket of views. At first, when I saw your post, I wasn't sure if you were being completely straight forward. But, I added to my last post, to Hey Now-- after I noticed you had already given it a "like"-- that maybe my impression of you was incorrectly skewed to the Right, because of the issues on which we've disagreed, which have tended to be SOCIAL issues (I did get a chuckle out of your being a nearly perfect "Centrist," though). Your support of social welfare, for those incapable of self- sufficiency-- which I would not have guessed-- would at least push you in the direction of the Economic Left, as well as in the Liberal direction, on the Social Axis.Your distaste for the Military- Industrial Complex, I would think, would also push in both those directions (Economically- Left, & Socially Liberal). Your stance on Abortion (though I didn't understand your "double- standard" remark), should also push you toward Liberalism. So maybe this all combined with some VERY Authoritarian views, to "even- out" closer to a "moderate" Social rating. But I get your point, of this not being the idea one thinks of, as moderate-- having both markedly Liberal & Authoritarian views, based on the issues. Then again (I'd also noted, in those add'l comments), maybe our ideas of what the Truly Centrist perspective looks like, is well off the mark.

    Though "Faith & Flag Conservative," is a description I might have thought would fit you; nonetheless, I wouldn't have thought that being against the Military- Industrial Complex, or being Pro- Choice, would be equated with that political designation, "FAITH & FLAG," either. So, your own, mixed bag of views just goes to show the potential wide variety of ideas that people, even in the same general classifications, might have. In other words, you can't go just by the label.



    EDIT: So what it comes down to, as far as what a person considers themself (or considers someone else), might have less to do with a strict consideration of all the issues, and more a matter of on which particular issues, that person puts the most emphasis.
     
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