Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Putin lovers: The world doesn't buy your claims and you have been judged.

    You can't justify this whether some of your claims are true or not. Attempting to do so only proves you are guilty.
     
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    Actually they are and if you would have taken the time to review the many videos I've posted then maybe you'd be a little more up to date.

    Azov, Right Sector, Svoboda, Bandera, C14, Aidar, Tornado....around 80 different groups of nationalists...and yet some still think they don't have a nazi problem in Ukraine.

    Just how many thousands of nazis would you like for me to post pictures of ?? ****ing thousands.

    They have a national holiday for a ****ing dead nazi.
     
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    Wake up...The world is much bigger place than you think buddy. Listening to the USA media 24/7 will make you stupid. And then you will be surprised. Things are changing much faster that you could possibly imagine.

    The USA is losing the grip. The Indians have told you to f... off and mind your own business. Same as the Chinese.


    A proper debate.

    #MultiPolarWorld
    #MultiPolarWorld | Are America's glory days over? Are we in the midst of a reshuffling of the world order?


    https://www.republicworld.com/shows/arnab-live/number-multipolarworld.html

     
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    he doesn't just torture. He kills a person slowly, painfully, cynically - in front of the camera. Exactly the same as terrorists do in the Middle East.
     
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    Oh we are wide awake; even many trump supporters are now wide awake and see putin for what he is - a war criminal and a tyrant.

    If that is who you choose to defend, too bad for you.
     
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    proverb: "if our enemies say bad things about us, then we are doing everything right" (c)
    but that the United States was an enemy of Russia on Saturday openly declared by Biden, saying that Putin should not remain in power. Nothing else but an attack on the sovereignty of my country, I do not see it. And do not care that the old man survived out of his mind.
    This feeble-minded old man is the official face of a strong and aggressive empire.
     
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    Those ethnic Russians are among those who are shooting at Russian soldiers from their windows. They are defending their homes against the invasion. ;)
     
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    you mistakenly think that "the Nazis only hate Jews." Wrong. "Nazi" just hates anyone. The Ukrainian Nazi hates everyone who is not Ukrainian. The Nazis in the last century in Germany equally hated Jews, Negroes, Gypsies, Slavs.

    Hitler himself had Jewish roots. His father's surname at birth is Schicklgruber.
     
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    That's not torture, that's murder.

    Слава Україні! Right? слава нацистам, that's what some like

    Some things never change...they just lurk in the shadows until they come out of hiding again

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    Is Putler getting beaten by his own system in the Ukraine?
    Putler runs Russia like a large Mafia organization. Everybody around him including himself is getting rather rich. Not just the oligarchs, but his generals, too. For Generals, by Western standards they are far to rich, it is not normal that they have palaces, very expensive toys and so on.
    Since 20 years Putler has purred serious money into the military, to rebuilt it. But were did that money go ?

    If you really want to know, look at the small details, tires.
    TIRES, are you fooking nuts.
    Jup, tires. If you look at the pictures we get and take a look at the tires of Russian trucks, a real look, what do you see.
    They are not new, run down, cracked side walls, wobbelt because of bad alignment, for month, new tires which delaminated and so on and so on.
    Yes tires.
    I assume, that the Russian army, as every army has a standard maintenance procedure and with it, the procurement of tires, for its trucks and vehicles.
    Standard ops, I would say.
    But where are those new tires.
    Sold to the local trucking company, or traded for the most cheapest on the market, with a nice little profit.
    By whom ?

    The NCOs and the junior officer ranks.
    REMs out of date, by as much as 20 years. Sure the Russian Army ordered consistently new ones. But where did they go.
    I bet you there are all the records that show, at day X they were at that warehouse and were send to unit B, at day Y and received and in between and than they vanished, like diesel and so on and so on.
    Putler created this system, of milking Russia, for himself and his buddies, but it trickled down. The Russian army has become a Mafia system, from the NCO level to the highest Generals.
    Tires, are loosing this war for Russia.
    No tires, no ammo, no fuel, no food.
     
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    Peace, ~ Such a far-gone notion! ... in the western world so wished it, begged for it even got aggressive about it. We wanted peace. NOT at the expense of expelling a ruler of Russia & upending our Western civilized world! F-U ... U know who in the Administration...
     
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    That number would and should go a lot higher if the real truth was told about Ukraine.
     
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    Sahba! It's been a dog's age since I've seen you around.

    Shilling for Putin, are ya?
     
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    Those old photos are as relevant today as the German American Bund...

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    I want to provide my generalizations about the underlying nature of this conflict. Where you stand is then your choice, but this is no fight between good v evil. There is quite a bit of evil on both sides and some good.

    The war has two aspects to it: first, Russia v Ukraine. Second, Ukraine as proxy for the western Atlantic Alliance v Russia as proxy for those who either want to undermine it or wish to contain it.

    Russia v Ukraine isn't a story of good v evil. The two are cut from the same clothe but on opposite sides. Ukraine proper has more individuals seeking integration into the western family of nations, but Russia has quite a few itself and the main difference even on this count is the readier willingness of the west to accept Ukraine than the Russian bear whose best role is to remain as the bear. But the main contestant in the exclusively Russia v Ukraine front are nationalists and ultra nationalist with similar disposition except the side they apply their nationalism to and a different history. One that saw Ukraine nationalists willing to work with the Nazis against Stalin and Russia. Of course, among them there are some die-hard Nazis as well. You would find the same among the Russians if Hitler hadn't broken his pact with Stalin and instead tried to go for the same 'coalition' that American "white nationalists" were seeking with Putin.

    Not good v evil. Just two sides of the same coin fighting in the manner you may see in a fight between 2 packs of wolves. With, for me, similar levels of "morality" behind the issue to guide you to pick your side.

    The second aspect to the war, namely western Alliance v Russia and the gang, is more complicated. I will have to address that later, separately. But to state my position: the western Alliance represents both good (quite a good dose) and unmitigated evil (a substantial dose of that too). Russia and the gang represent both less good but also less evil.

    In all this, the real question beyond the geopolitics is: what (if any) constitutes good and what (if any) constitutes evil? Plato addresses that issue in the Republic with good (not compete) answers; and regardless of Iranian and Zoroastrian influences on Plato's thoughts debated from Roman times to the present by Western historians and philosophers, the fact that the West essentially preferred Plato's pupil, Aristotle, and sided with form over substance, materialism over true enlightenment, propaganda (falsehood) (including about "democracy" as well as about the true enemy), over the search for truth in a just meritocracy; snake-oil salesmen as leaders over enlightened philosopher kings; meant that the West's relationship with good has often been strained. And its relationship with evil quite cozy indeed.
     
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    You are trying to make a kind of change of consciousness that the Ukrainians are also partly to blame for the war.
    They are not !
    There is a sovereign state here that has attacked another state.
    Evil is on the Russian side.
     
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    @Iranian Monitor the concept of good and evil is relative. Not the best idea to think in such categories.
    For example, the West calls Putin "evil"... but he has about 80% support in Russia. According to the logic of the West, Russians are 80% evil.
    Evil must be fought and destroyed. Conclusion: the destruction of the Russians = good.
    From the point of view of the Russians, those who are trying to destroy me cannot be good by definition. Conclusion: The West is evil.... the circle is closed.
     
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    Within the prism you understand and refer to, you are right. Which is why I have said this isn't a fight between good and evil on either side. No matter if both will appeal to such notions to paint themselves good and the other evil. (And, of course, the winner of that propaganda war will be the one with the better, more established, more influential, propaganda machine).

    But, unless you prefer being a nihilist, we need a proper sense of good versus evil too.
     
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    https://t.me/anna_news/26448
    The Russian tank T-72B model 1989 withstood a hit from the Swedish-British portable ATGM NLAW in Mariupol.
     
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    How many countries in the world support Russia in it's war against Ukraine ?
    Syria, North Korea, Iran, Belarus and maybe one more.
    You are Iran's biggest supporter here .. Just look who are the countries that support the Paruskis ? Blahhhhhhhh
     
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    Iran voted at the UN to condemn Russia's invasion. Its official position is that the problems leading up to the war were the fault of US/NATO, but war is not the proper means to settle disputes.

    Most of the countries outside the NATO alliance have taken positions similar to Iran. There also even American allies that have tried to keep a neutral posture, including the anti-Iran regional bloc led by Israel, Saudi Arabia and UAE.
     
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    Next you will be telling us America is at fault for the Islamic empire of the 7th Century.
    Truth be told Ukraine doesn't want to be a part of Russia - like just about every other
    country on earth, and sees its future with Europe. Putin can't abide that.
     
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    Lucky tank crew!

    So many were not..
     
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