Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    Occams Razor...

    You have problems. One is that Putin has a long history of doing this sort of thing. One look at Mariupol will tell you that. The other is that this isn't exactly the first bunch of civilians left dead in the streets..
     
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    I have no problems. I have logical explainations.

    https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/

    In cities like Kharkov, Mariupol and Odessa, defense is provided by paramilitary militias. They know that the objective of "denazification" is aimed primarily at them.

    For an attacker in an urbanized area, civilians are a problem. This is why Russia seeks to create humanitarian corridors to empty the cities of civilians and leave only the militias in order to fight them more easily.

    Conversely, these militias seek to keep civilians in the cities in order to dissuade the Russian army from coming to fight there. This is why they are reluctant to implement these corridors and do everything so that Russian efforts are in vain: they can thus use the civilian population as “human shields”. Videos showing civilians trying to leave Mariupol and being beaten up by fighters from the Azov regiment are naturally carefully censored here.

    On Facebook, the Azov group was considered in the same category as the Islamic State and subject to the platform's " dangerous individuals and organizations policy " . It was therefore forbidden to glorify him, and the "posts" that were favorable to him were systematically banned. But on February 24, Facebook changed its policy and allowed posts favorable to the militia. In the same spirit, in March, the platform authorizes, in the former Eastern European countries, calls for the murder of Russian soldiers and leaders . So much for the values that inspire our leaders, as we will see.

    Our media propagate a romantic image of popular resistance. It is this image that has led the European Union to finance the distribution of arms to the civilian population. It is a criminal act. In my role as chief of doctrine for peacekeeping operations at the UN, I worked on the issue of the protection of civilians. We then saw that violence against civilians took place in very specific contexts. Especially when weapons abound and there are no command structures.

    However, these command structures are the essence of armies: their function is to channel the use of force according to an objective. By arming citizens in a haphazard fashion as is currently the case, the EU turns them into combatants, with the attendant consequences: potential targets. Moreover, without command, without operational goals, the distribution of arms inevitably leads to settling of scores, banditry and actions that are more deadly than effective. War becomes a matter of emotions. Force becomes violence. This is what happened in Tawarga (Libya) from August 11 to 13, 2011, where 30,000 black Africans were massacred with weapons parachuted (illegally) by France. Moreover, the British Royal Institute for Strategic Studies(RUSI) sees no added value in these arms deliveries.

    Moreover, by delivering arms to a country at war, one exposes oneself to being considered as a belligerent. The Russian strikes on March 13, 2022, against the Mykolaiv airbase follow Russian warnings that weapons transports would be treated as hostile targets.

    The EU repeats the disastrous experience of the Third Reich in the last hours of the Battle of Berlin. War should be left to the military and when one side has lost, it should be admitted. And if there is to be resistance, it must imperatively be led and structured. However, we are doing exactly the opposite: we are pushing citizens to go and fight and at the same time, Facebook is allowing calls for the murder of Russian soldiers and leaders . So much for the values that inspire us.

    In some intelligence services, this irresponsible decision is seen as a way of using the Ukrainian population as cannon fodder to fight Vladimir Putin's Russia. This kind of murderous decision had to be left to the colleagues of Ursula von der Leyen's grandfather. It would have been wiser to engage in negotiations and thus obtain guarantees for the civilian populations than to add fuel to the fire. It's easy to be combative with other people's blood...
     
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    You must think we're idiots.
     
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    It doesn't really matter what I think. It is a well documented fact that the Russian forces offered numerous times a humanitarian corridors out of certain cities. Rejected by the Ukrainian authorities. Not by ordinary people who were more than happy to leave. You are arguing with the well documented facts, not with me.
     
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    That's a falsehood.
     
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    Occam's Razor.
     
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    not really....it was a twitter video (from the account of a rather odious person) of a staged shooting of supposed Ukrainian soldiers shooting an "injured" Russian soldier whose troop were caught in an ambush....it's really not worth the effort as it seems that the information wars are now taking on a more insidious tone rather than the actual plight of real people suffering in real and horrific situations.

    So my personal view is to step back and let those that want to carry on the oh-no-we-didn't-oh yes-you-did malarchy carry on with that.
     
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    You have propaganda.
     
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    You're trying to gaslight us, and you're not doing a good job.

    One look at Mariupol, and you can tell there are a lot of civilians in that ruble. That only a trivial amount of aid has gotten through so it couldn't be said there was no aid. We've seen video of Russians gunning down civilians in multiple places, like Mariupol.

    And this isn't the first time Putin has done this. He bombed Aleppo into ruble and then bombed the ruble. The UN have him the locations of hospitals so he could avoided attacking them. He took the list and started bombing them.

    Putin always does war crimes.
     
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    FULL REUTERS ARTICLE

     
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    Perhaps I'm trolling you the same way you are trolling me. Just saying.
     
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    You're half right.
     
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    This Anonymous should be brought to tribunal himself for spreading this kind of information. Hope Russian intelligent services will find him and punish.The soldiers are not responsible for the commands of Generals. Everyone knows what happens in the war times if the orders of officiers are not followed.
     
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    Straight cuts you say?? Show them. Show them to everyone and explain it to the board. Prove yourself as the genius you claim to be.

    But remember one thing, I saw that video too. So good luck with that. Show us the cuts on the body burned beyond recognition. Most all of the flesh on that person's skull was burned away. Shrapnel, learn it too.
     
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    Oh yes, riveting indeed. More acting from the actor. I wonder, will he address the war crimes his thugs committed? You know, the real videos....live videos of the executions of Russian troops? The knee cap shootings? The throat slicing? How about the rape, murder and swastika carved in the woman's stomach by Azov in Mariupol. Zelensky is a POS grifter, that's all he is. He is playing the gullible to line his own pockets while sacrificing his own people.
     
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    Conventional wisdom is that the Russians will move their forces from the north to Ukraine's east to recommence offensive operations. This leaves the Ukrainian defenders with the advantage of interior lines. Moreover, with continuing inflow of weapons and supplies to Ukraine, and Russia's demonstrated supply, logistics and ordnance-quality problems, it is conceivable that the Russians may find themselves facing an opponent who is no longer outnumbered or outgunned.
     
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    Sorry, but your litany of falsehoods has no effect.
     
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    Can I recommend you watch this movie?

    I doubt you will find the movie boring. In fact, after the first 10-15 minutes, it becomes pretty gripping. It is very much in the genre of American action movies and thrillers; But I like to see if even relatively open-minded, educated posters can actually stand to see issues from a different "propaganda" angle"? And, if not, whether the actual audience for western propaganda are simply the less converted on the home front? The same way propaganda from other places such as Russia works best with the already converted in their home fronts too?

    Incidentally, one of the main figures in the movie (made in 2018 ) was inspired by a character whose name became know to many Americans.

     
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    Anonymous is a group, vis. They've been doing this sort of thing (hacking, doxxing, etc.) for years, so I wouldn't bet on the Russians finding out who is responsible.
     
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    It is a pity the Obama administration did not provide weapons to the Syrian opposition in early 2012, when they had the momentum to oust Asad and sever Hezbollah's support link to Iran.
     
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