Macron warns of ‘escalation of rhetoric’ after Biden ‘genocide’ comment

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly .. Been preaching for over a decade "Do as we say - Not as we Do" foreign policy is going to come back to bite us ..when other nations start to "Do as we Do"

    Now when I say "Look - Told you so" .. or point out the raging hypocrisy - the morons cry - "Putin Supporter"

    Look what happened to Gabbard when she suggested that perhaps we should not be giving Al Qaeda - aka 911 Terrorist group - sophisticated US military technology. All of a sudden she was a Russian Spy .. in league with Putin.
     
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    A lot of double talk babble here. You have your sematics "civil war" vs. "insurgency" vs "the people". Then you have the "no Moderates" which contradicts your previous statement saying "There were 2 sides in the war for Syria .. The Syrian Army - Assad on one side .. and the Moderate people of Syria fighting to keep their freedom and liberty ." Obviously you're confused......or not. I think you are backpeddling.
    You seem to have dropped Yemen in your case against Biden/US.
    Really?!! You're using this jackwagon as some sort of pillar of justice/crusader. This guy that stands for spousal rape! He's right there with Marjorie Green and Lauren Boebert but the best of all is that he's NOT a U.S. Senator.......he's was (WAS) a Virginia STATE Senator. And don't get me started on his support of Russia. Sure you can blame it on your source.....but I blame YOU for not checking your source. I'll send you a memo
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because you don't understand the difference between an insurgency and a civil war .. does not make it semantics.

    There were no moderats on the "Anti Assad" side .. no back peddaling .. the only one doing that is you .. and I never Dropped Yemen .. Biden's complicity in genocide in that one

    The source is excellent .. you engaging in Ad Hom fallacy does not change that.

    All this has been a desperate and fallacious attempt at deflection and denial - hopelessly unable to answer the simple question - who were the people fighting against Assad.

    but no worries .. as I said.. we just getting started mate .. if you don't like the source provided .. what source would you like.

    Is declassified documents from "Defense Intelligence Agency" no good either ?

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

    So once again .. which side were we on .. the Islamic State (Al Qaeda -ISIS) or the Syrian Army.
     
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    Like it or not Putin is the leader of Russia and that's not going to change. The reason why the French leader and probably other leaders in NATO are trying to walk back Biden's genocide comments is that the only path out of this is through negotiation with Putin. And when you label him the monster that he is you offer him no path out of this war with Ukraine and thus he will just be compelled to keep doing what he's doing.

    Well I agree that it looks pretty ugly right now in Ukraine and what Putin is doing is horrible, but by making those comments it does nothing. it does no good. it's not like the Russian people are suddenly going to wake up and do something to dethrone Putin. I don't think they could even if they wanted to.

    It's not like the United States is now suddenly going to intervene into this war or NATO for that matter so nothing really changes except you vilify Putin and make negotiations that much harder.

    Once again the progressive leader you all voted in to solve the mean tweet issue, is a f****** idiot.
     
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    I do and it is
    Pointing out where you are clearly changing your position isn't backpedding.......which you are still doing
    Excellent huh.....they don't know the difference between a U.S. Senator and a State Senator OR they deliberately used the mischaracterization in their headline...and you didn't catch it.
    What matters to your question is that the US wasn't fighting against Assad. We were fighting against Al Qaeda and ISIS.
     
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    He has done more than that. And, frankly, the shoe fits.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't change my position .. you just have no game and so you have to make things up. The moderats were fighting for Assad .. the US was on the side of the Islamic State.

    The US was not fighting the Islamic State in Syria until 2017 .. after the Russian's had liberated every other city in Syria san's Racca .. which the US was protecting.

    The US was arming - supporting- and supplying the Islamic State .. a fact which you are in desperate denial .. but no worries .. your education is nigh.

    Name one city in Syria - other than that controlled by Assad - that was controlled by an entity other than the Islamic State. Where are these "Moderates" you claim exist .. and why do you think the DIA was lying in mid 2012 and the Senator from Virginia who actually went to Syria.
     
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    Yeah, ya did. I have already posted your quote and how you contradicted yourself and yet you say I "have no game". It is you that is making things up.
    You change your story in almost every post. You contradict yourself. Your "facts" are all over the place. Another example: "The US was not fighting the Islamic State in Syria until 2017 ". Obama and Biden weren't in charge in 2017. But wait, there's more. We were fighting WITH and supplying them before that. The point is that you want to make a case against Biden as a war criminal and you have done nothing to make your case.
    I never claimed they exist....you did. Post 22. I already pointed that out. Try to keep up please.
     
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    Me saying "Where are those "Moderates you claim to exist" .. does not contradict anything I have stated... and if you were paying attention.. I told you right from the beginnning that the moderates were fighitng for Syria. Hopefully this sorts out part of your confusion.

    and yes to do claim "Moderates" exist .. whether you realize it or not. You claimed Syria was a "Civil War" Do you not understand someone who is a civil warrior - rather than an insurgent - is a "Moderates" Islamic extremists are not "Civil Warriors"

    Then after demonstrating your lack of command of the facts.. you cry that I don't have my facts straight. Which fact do I have not straight .. where did I say Obama and Biden were in Charge in 2017 .. you making things up about another does not show they do not have their facts strait.

    Is you the one lacking the facts - then when given the facts reel into desperate denial .. so far you claim Senator from Virginia woke up in the morning .. went to Syria .. and came back with all kinds of lies .. and the Defense intelligence agency was lying in the declassified memo.

    You are so hopelessly lost that you can't state which side of the war we were on. not realizing that the two sides were A) Syrian Army-Assad B) Islamic State

    Your claim that the Islamic State fighters were fighting a "Civil War" is preposterously false nonsense .. albeit you were fed a steady diet of such propaganda - of which you should know better because this happens in every conflict .. Got duded real good this time.

    Ok so .. DIA and the Senator from Virgina are lying about the situation in Syria .. according to you.

    how about Tulsi Gabbard - and the 13 bipartisan co-sponsors to the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill To Halt U.S. Arms Supplies To Syrian Allies

    https://www.npr.org/2016/12/10/5050...-introduces-bill-to-halt-u-s-arms-supplies-to

    Sorry mate -- I realize having this necessary illusion bubble burst must sting a bit .. but what you going to do .. claim that the 14 Bipartisan in congress are also in on the " The Anti Assad Forces are Islamist Jihadists" conspiracy. .. along with the DIA .. and that Senator Black.

    Told you we were just starting .. this would be a good time to exit stage left - cause its just going to get sillier and sillier.

    Name one City in Syria held by these "Moderates" you claim to exist .. but didn't realize that "civil warrior = moderate"
    The whole justification give by the State Department for arming the anti Assad fighters was because they were "Moderates" and not Al Qaeda and Spawn.

    My case against Biden was made without Syria .. Yemen is far worse atrocity than Ukraine.. on that alone Biden wins the competition. .. but Yemen is nothing in comparison to Syria.
     
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    And where do you think Brandon has tried to wipe out a nation like Putin is trying to do in Ukraine?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not "Tried" Did wipe out not one but 3 nations - while on Team Obama .. The Holy Trinity Obama-Hillary-Biden and their JV Team.

    Where were you during the Obama Years .. living in a cave ?! but no !! you were here .. having this stuff drilled into you day after day by your's truly .. You seriously can't name one of the 3 nations .. Hint - not including Afghanistan .. which we could include but wont.

    Hold on .. give you another hint .. Two of these Nations were destroyed hand in hand with Brother El Saud .. all 3 were transformed into Islamist Jihadist "Vunderland" El Saud Style - by the same JV team 911.
     
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    More puerile and moronic name calling seems to be the extent of this administration's diplomatic skills so, once again, I find myself apologizing to my European friends for the buffoon we have for a president.

    If this country can endure the remainder of this pathetic Biden - Harris administration, I hope and pray that the next administration can deliver the competent leadership we so seldom see but badly need.
     
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    Wow that's what you call a beat down. Great job sticking to the facts and not falling for the BS diversions.
     
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    WW 2 German intelligence discovered that Stalin was preparing to sweep Westward through Germany, France, England etc in 1940 - 1941.
    That's the reason that Germany decided to take the offensive and attack first.
    For example, one of the reasons for Germany's early and rapid military successes was because the Communists were in offensive positions rather than defensive positions.
    I'm assuming that Stalin had that objective in his mind as early as the 1930s but would like to know what you think Putin's goals are and if they are really similar to Stalin's.

    Thanks,
     
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    It's not up to me to play guessing games with you. Dispense with the gratuitous remarks, name names and make your case.
     
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    I was referring to the Holodomor, Grau. Stalin attempted to destroy Ukraine as a nation and Putin is attempting to follow in his footsteps.
     
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    That statement is completely disingenious. That's the same as saying the South was fighting for the United States.
    That's a word salad of nothingness
    Well, you're original assertion is that Obama/Biden are "war criminals" for their part in Syria and then you say we weren't in Syria until 2017.
    Well, that's just wrong in point of fact.
    Never said any of that. What I DID say is that the gentlelman from Virginia has proven to be a horse's ass and has been forced out of politics because of it and THAT is your source to prove a non existent point.
    It would be if I said that. I didn't
    :applause::applause: Bills are introduced to Congress all the time and most (like this one) fail. So what point is that?
    I'm saying that Gabbard and Black took part in political theater and you have done nothing to prove any point as far as Biden being a "War Criminal" but..........from your article:
    "GABBARD: Very simply, it addresses an urgent action that is necessary. Right now, under current U.S. law, it wouldn't surprise people to know that it is illegal for any American to provide any support, whether it's money, weapons or other assistance, to al-Qaida or ISIS or other terrorist groups.

    Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years by quietly supporting allies, partners, individuals and groups who are working directly with al-Qaida, ISIS, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham and other terrorist groups by providing them with money, weapons and intelligence support in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government.

    SIMON: Well, what about the argument, Representative Gabbard, that it's a big, messy world, and you just can't hope to keep your hands entirely clean if you're going to try and keep the world safe, and that, sometimes, strategic alliances have to be struck with some unlovely people? I mean, we certainly did that to survive in World War II.

    GABBARD: Well, I'd like to just point directly to what is happening in Syria today, where we are providing - the United States is providing - this direct and indirect support to terrorist groups in order to overthrow the Syrian government. So we will end up with a situation where not only will the Syrian people be under greater human suffering and an even more dire situation. We will end up with al-Qaida now having far greater military capability, far greater strength and posing a greater threat not only to the region but to the United States and the rest of the world."

    Remind me again of what the outcome of your/Gabbard's claim is now.
    That's on you, not me
    I'm sure it is.....to you. but you have proven your take of what actually is going on is warped beyond any facts.
     
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    Facts!!?? Name one.
     
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    Never said we were not in Syria until 2017 .. your getting it handed to you . and so you have to make things up.

    The fact is that Obama/Biden were arming and supporting the Islamic State -- Al Qaeda/ISIS .. contrary to Obama's Moderate Rebel Lie which you bought hook line and sinker.

    Now you are in full on denial .. desperate to cling to necessary illusion You have been given the DOI - Senator from Virginia .. along with 14 bipartisan in congress who co-signed the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - all of which you claim are lying.

    So who was it we were arming and supporting in Syria -- if not the Islamic State -- ISIS and the 911 Terrorist Group -- and make sure to provide support for your laughable claim .. something other than running around with hands over ears crying "NO NO NO"
     

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    Syria, Yemen, Libya Syria and Yemen far worse than Ukraine in terms of death destruction and atrocity -- war crimes - Genocide.

    Sad commentary you have been a member for so long had no idea about these wars.
     
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    Post 32 second line:
    "The US was not fighting the Islamic State in Syria until 2017" I don't have to make things up, just remember what you wrote. You either don't, or you're simply lying.
    Again, I have NEVER said anything about any "Moderate Rebel lie".....only you have and I have never addressed it. Another lie
    Again, I never said they were lying. You said I did.....which is a lie. I said it was political theater.
    We armed a lot of factions in Syria. I never denied we didn't, in fact in my last post I addressed that fact from your own article.

    The bottom line in you entire absurd position of Biden being a war criminal and your adolecent argument about who was arming who is all smoke and mirrors to show your lack of any proof of war crimes. The laughable assertion that your convoluted logic on this is "owning" me is not worth addressing more than this sentence.
    You have proven nothing as far as Biden war crimes and only shown what is, at best, simple nieve outlook on the Syrian Civil War.
     
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    Lying about what .. I have not contradicted the above claim .. which is correct. The US was arming and supporting the Islamic State up until 2017 - at which point the US turned on its proxy army

    You then cry "Obama -Biden" were not in power 2017 as if this is some kind of contriction. Don't blame you lack of understanding of what you read on me.. and project your "Simply Lying" onto me. You are the one engaging in that activity .. to your self.


    what a joke - didn't say you said anything about Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" -- and why would you since you have no clue about what went down in Syria. What you did say was that Syria was a Civil war .. which means the forces fighting Assad were moderates .. something you have yet to figure out.

    Yes you did state they were lying .. by inference. You have been denying that Obama-Biden were on the side of the Islamic State. .. yet this is exactly what the DOI - 14 Bipartisan in Congress - and senator Richard Black stated.

    So what is it .. do you believe these folks - that Obama-Biden were arming the Islamic State - or did they all make this up out of thin air.
     
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    Yes, I'm familiar with the Holodomor. Genrikh Yagoda and Leonid Reichman were just 2 of Stalin's henchmen that helped carry it out.
    However, unlike the 1930s, the world's eye is on Ukraine and is unlikely to sit by and let the same thing happen again.

    I think that at this point, Putin would settle for annexing the Donbas region of Ukraine. Do you think that he has seizing larger territories in mind?
     
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    So who were we bombing and providing embedded support against from 2012 to 2016? Sorry to burst your bubble, but we were fighting ISIS well before 2017. They were all but beaten by then.
     
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    We were not bombing ISIS or Al Qaeda or any of the other Islamist Jihadist groups that made up the Rebels in Syria in 2012 - nor 2013 .. we were to busy arming and and supporting the anti assad rebels "Covertly" albeit an open secret.. and why would we be bombing our allies in the war.

    Did you not read the declassified MEMO ? from the DIA .. or do you still think they are lying - made the whole thing up

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

    This was in mid 2012 .. What part of "The West, Gulf Nations, Turkey support the opposition" did you not understand .. is not sinking in .. has gone deer in headlights ?

    Who was the "Opposition" ??? Salafist, Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI - Al Qaeda - The Islamic State did not yet exist.

    The US lead a coalition of many nations .. France, Britain, Turkey, Jordan Qatar, Israel, .. and of course Brother El Saud .. and numerous others .. to move massive amounts of arms - supplies into Syria .. incomplete violation of international law but .. who cares about that... moved all the stuff left over from the war in Yugoslavia .. and new stuff .. Arms flowed in from Benghazi .. and numerous other nations in the Region .. tens of thousand of foreign fighters poured into Syria .. to join in the Holy Jihad .. to turn Secular Syria .. the shining star of liberty and freedom among Muslim nations in the ME .. into a Strict Sharia vunderland .. Saudi Style.

    In less than 2 years .. the "Insurgency" .. the "Opposition" took over almost all of Syria .. every major city sans Demascus. .. and in late 2013 a new Islamic State was declared .. created... and operated for near 4 years ..

    In 2014 our Dog in Syria went off the leash .. and went into Iraq ... Obama was then in a very awkward postion .. fighting ISIS in Iraq .. but allied with them in Syria. .. as Rand Paul Describes on the Sunday morning news program CNN - State of the Union .. another to add to your list of "conspirators" :)

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

    Assad was on the ropes in 2015 .. Demascus under seige .. in late 2015 Russia officially entered the war .. took care of business .. liberated all of the cities in Syria from the Islamic State - except for Raqqa .. which was in the US protected area .. which takes us to 2017 .. The Islamic State defeated in all but the US proteced area .. at which point we started fighting ISIS in Syria.

    So .. who was the "Opposition" and which side were we on ? The Islamic State . thats who.. or did you still think there was some "Moderate" fighting force out there made up of civilians . rather than hard core militant Islamist Extremists engaged in Holy Jihad.

    Tell me who you supported in this war .. A) hard core militant Islamist Extremists .. or B) Assad - Syrian Army .. Moderate people of Syria .. fithing for liberty and freedom from these disgusting scum.

    Just getting started mate .. just wait till we hit the next entry .. Talk about the Horses Mouth :)
     

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