This is not a post about the ruling Kathryn Mizelle made, per se.

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    It's a post about Trump's embrace of unqualified judges, who make politically based rulings, from a list given to him by the Federalist Society. The conservative legal organization responsible for providing Individual 1 with countless nominees during his reign of terror.

    Leonard Leo helped conservative nonprofits raise $250 million from mostly undisclosed donors in recent years to promote conservative judges and causes
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/leonard-leo-federalists-society-courts/

    "She did it without even an oral argument!" Tribe wrote. "No wonder she earned a really rare ABA rating of 'unqualified' to be a federal judge.

    "Her opinion is a shambles, filled with unsupported medical claims as though she were an expert in fields about which she knows even less than about law!" he went on.

    The American Bar Association (ABA) said at the time of Mizelle's nomination to the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida in September 2020 that a "substantial majority" of its Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary had deemed her "not qualified" for the position.

    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-kathryn-mizelle-mask-mandate-ruling-shambles-1698901

    The thing is, even after the admittedly inconsistent guidance by the CDC, we do know masks work to slow the spread of COVID.

    New study is the first randomized trial to show that wearing masks reduces COVID-19 in a real-world setting.

    Washington D.C. Getting more people to wear masks, particularly surgical masks, is effective in reducing COVID-19, according to a new study led by researchers from Yale University, Stanford Medical School, University of California, Berkeley, and Innovations for Poverty Action (IPA). The randomized evaluation conducted in Bangladesh is the largest and most rigorous trial of its kind to date, testing the effectiveness of masks in a real-world setting with more than 340,000 adults.
    https://www.poverty-action.org/news...ing-masks-reduces-covid-19-real-world-setting

    Let's be clear. The CDC had said it was likely going to relax the mask mandate by early May. And I saw a headline this morning saying the Biden admin is on the fence as to whether it will appeal the ruling.

    However, as a WP editorial writer wrote.........Maybe it’s time to end the mask mandate for airplanes, trains and public transport. Maybe it’s prudent to keep it in place. I’m not sure, but I do know this: That decision should be made by federal policymakers — not by a single district court judge who was ideologically predisposed to strike down the mask rule and who then contorted the law to achieve that goal.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/19/masks-airplanes-judge-mizelle-legal-blunder/

    The backdrop being that COVID is once again spreading in the US and the world.
     
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    And it will continue to spread. No matter what is done. Its here to stay. Just like H1N1. LINK: Flu season continues, with H1N1 diagnoses picking up, CDC says (nbcnews.com) And all the other viruses out there. The best thing to do at this point is promote the vaccines and let normal life resume. No more closures. No more mask mandates. No more social distancing. Let normal life resume. Stop using this as a political cudgel. Which is ALL that it is at this point in time.
     
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    For two decades, Leo has been on a mission to turn back the clock to a time before the U.S. Supreme Court routinely expanded the government’s authority and endorsed new rights such as abortion and same-sex marriage. Now, as President Trump’s unofficial judicial adviser, he told the audience at the closed-door event in February that they had to mobilize in “very unprecedented ways” to help finish the job.

    “We’re going to have to understand that judicial confirmations these days are more like political campaigns,” Leo told the members of the Council for National Policy, according to a recording of the speech obtained by The Washington Post. “We’re going to have to be smart as a movement.”
     
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    it is about the role of government in public health. this "unqualified" judge (i don't know her qualifications) ruled without testimony, on a subject on which she is clearly not informed. the implications of this ruling go beyond covid and into somewhat more deadly diseases.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the point. The ruling was wholly political, tortures the law, and will........like many things conservatives advocate for.......spread more death and misery.
     
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    Joe Biden is letting the spigot run along the southern border allowing Millions of illegals to enter without any thought to public safety or concern for their economic impact. And yes, to spread more death and misery. You really need to start cleaning up your own house at this point. Joe Biden himself said, he couldn't do anything about COVID. Wearing masks demonstrably have no effect at protecting the wearer, and unless you are sick, protecting anyone from you while you wear one. Virtue signaling and obedience isn't a public health policy.
     
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    But..........you folks are always saying how COVID isn't a problem any more so...................
    As for the economic impact........https://www.fwd.us/news/immigration-and-gdp-growth/
     
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    So recognize the irony of you crying about the horror of not masking, and entirely ignoring this part. How are these folks going to work, unless they defraud the nation by stealing real IDs to use to work? They have no net positive unless they illegally work, and isn't the left against that? Nay, you say, these are the slaves that liberals feel entitled to, aren't they.
     
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    As I explicitly said, the post was about the lack of qualifications of the Trump appointed judge. The mask study I included was just a way of showing the illogical way she arrived at her wrong headed decision. It was more about her flawed thinking than the negative impact on the public's health the ruling will have.
    Defraud the nation? Many illegal aliens end up paying in to SS and Medicare by way of payroll taxes, the benefits of which they are ineligible to receive.
     
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    It really never was. It was always about trying to save lives. But yes, other demands of life, and practical limitations, have to be taken into consideration.
     
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    Masks are nothing more than political theater...
     
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    So you do not like an ideologically predisposed district court judge dictating national policy?

    I seem to recall this happening countless times when the other side was in power. Strange that you never complained about it then.
     
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    I lost count of how many times an Obama appointed judge overturned federal rulings under Trump, and you people didn't have a problem with it...
     
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    LOL... backpedal away. You would see the public obedient not free. And unable to justify your own advocacy now you run away from the facts because they undermine your credibility here. Isn't attacking women what liberals are against? I mean, she's a woman. How can she be anything but ? Oh wait, she's not a liberal... And all the liberal rules don't apply. i get it. The obvious hypocrisy here as well as the hubris are certainly entertaining to watch. Your fantasy world aside, you simply ran into your own wall. don't blame others.
     
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    They're on the fence no more.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday asked the Justice Department to appeal a federal judge’s ruling that lifted the CDC’s mask mandate for travel on public transportation.

    “It is CDC’s continuing assessment that at this time an order requiring masking in the indoor transportation corridor remains necessary for the public health,” the agency said in a statement. “CDC believes this is a lawful order, well within CDC’s legal authority to protect public health.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cdc-doj-appeal-federal-judge-ruling-travel-mask-mandate
     
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    First off. Thanks you Donald trump for operation warp speed or the outcome of the CHINA virus would be much worse
    2nd. If you can see past all of the OPs hyper sensitive trump and conservative hating he does in here instead of sticking with just facts, I actually agree with him about the content
    This ruling seems purely political and in cramped quarters like a train or a plane I still think there should be masks
    The virus is still here folks!
    Yes it’s less dangerous thanks to trumps vaccine that we would still be waiting on regulations for if left were in charge back then but it still needs to be taken seriously
     
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    When Dirty Donald wanted build the Trump Tower in N.Y. he had first rip down the old Bonwit Teller Building which was on the site. He hired Polish ILLEGAL immigrants to tear the building down, agreeing to pay them $4 per hour. Many of them slept in the building as they tore it down.
    When the demolition was completed he then tried to stiff them on their pay.
     

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