State bans on birth control

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by The Mello Guy, May 4, 2022.

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Would it be constitutional for a state to ban birth control

  1. Yes, there is no right to birth control

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  2. No, birth control is a right

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The fundamental determination is who owns your body. You? Or some growth that occurs within it?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your leftisyt link makes the implication but does NOT quote any specific language. I wonder why? Could it be that they are trying to fearmonger?

    As I said, even if someone WERE to actually try that ( which is unclear from your link other than innuendo), it would never hold up because they do NOT have jurisdiction.

    Rest easy. The sky is NOT falling. I too am pro-abortion. That does not mean that we need to lose our common sense.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, if it were determined that life begins at conception ( which is a big if), that would mean that the harm to the baby life would have to be weighed against the harm to the mother life.

    Your right to swing your left arm ends at my nose is an apropos analogy. Sometimes competing rights need to be weighed against each other and your right to swing your arm needs to be weighed against my right to not be punched in the nose. You have complete autonomy to flail away with your arms until your hearts content, but the point that autonomy of yours interferes with the rights of another, it becomes a different situation.

    In the scenario where life is determined to begin at conception, it would not be accurate to label it merely a growth. At that point, it would be a life entitled to at least equal consideration as the woman's life. I am not saying for me that would be my determination, but that is what would need to be decided by individual state legislatures which theoretically and for the most part are a reflection of the people within that state.
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Not weight entirely, there's training and talent too but that applies to any athlete.

    I've done this before and you guys just ignore it but I enjoy exercises in futility. Go look at Andrea Shaw one time, tell me she's not strong enough to defeat you at just about anything
     
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    There are two bodies and each persons body is their own property. Not the others property. Both have a right to life.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, there's one person with a growth they want to get rid of.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Life begins at birth. Growth begins at conception.
     
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    At a certain point the fetus developed into a person or none of us would be people. It's undeniable. You have rationally determine where that is.
     
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    At which point does the government develop a compelling interest in protecting a fetus?
     
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    I mostly agree with you, although I'd give the child rights at some point when it could be viable on its own before actual birth ( maybe 6 or 7 months or so).

    At any rate, we are all entitled to our opinions on the matter. Ultimately, this is a decision for every state's legislature when forming their own state's laws.
     
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    “IUDs are a life-ending device,” said Mailee Smith, staff counsel for the Americans United for Life, which filed an amicus brief in support of the challenge before the high court. “The focus of these cases is that requiring any life-ending drug is in violation of the Religious Freedom Act.”
     
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  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    When it's born.
     
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    States don't determine fundamental rights.
     
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    When it's born.
     
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    Sure they do. They determine that your fundamental right to swing your left arm ( bodily autonomy as you call it) ends when it comes into contact with my nose.
     
  16. GrayMan

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    Is birth magic?
     
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    Wait, I agreed with you now you want me to explain why I agree with you?

    Maybe you should reread the thread.

    But now you move the goal posts and change it to prescription drugs?
    Do you think the medical world should just be drug pushers of any drug they want no matter the consequences it does to the person?
     
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    No. There is a reasonable argument that “life” actually begins at implantation
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    If every fertilised egg is a “baby” then what of the tens of thousands of “extra” fertilised eggs held in cold storage???
     
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    If you knew the rapid changes in the baby’s physiology you might be tempted to think so
     
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    Does a two year old have the same “rights” as an adult?
     
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    Isn't the sperm of a male the seed?
    So, if the seed isn't used to start a life, isn't that killing future life?
     
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    From the legal perspective under the constitution, that certain point is All Born Persons. Per the 14th Amendment.
    Or, legally, if the pregnant woman affords the fetus rights by choosing to carry it to full term until it gains it's own full rights under the 14th.
     
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    Citizenship is granted at birth but human rights like free speech and the right to life are granted to all in the United States including those never born in the USA like immigrants and unborn people.
     
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    There sure is legal recourse. It's called election day. Any state legislator who proposed the prohibition of birth control would likely be tarred and feathered by the constituency, and if not, then The People have spoken in favor of it. The 10th amendment says the states SHOULD have control over this topic, and over abortion too.
     
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    OK? And?
    I am not sure what you're addressing.
    I thought this was about abortion.
     

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