Climate change. We get it ... it’s a mess you don’t want to think about.

Actually, it is/ At the same creeping rate it has for the last 5k years or so.

The oceans rose dramatically once the ice sheets started to melt, there was an amazing amount of water stored in them. But now that most of them are gone, there is little rise to continue.

Most of the "rise" is the usual shoreline erosion that always happens, combined with coastal subsidence as we have channeled rivers from their usual courses. And in places that had a large marsh before the coming of man (New Orleans, Venice), the lack of new silt on soft soggy soil means that the land sinks. And in other areas, we even have land rising.

But funny, they never seem to talk about the other.

But to give an idea how stupid and lacking in science some are, I still hear people talking about how much the oceans will rise when the Polar Ice Cap melts.



Every time I hear something like that, it reminds me that most really do not understand anything about what is going in. They just repeat things they heard from others (or what they think they heard).

 

I have never seen more of a doomsday cult-like group of belief than the true believers in climate change

 

Are you referring to the rising oceans? Tsk tsk tsk

Pity you didn’t get the bit that the rise is not even across the planet and it also affects things like ground water level as Florida has found out - pity about those building foundations there eh?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/21/florida-climate-crisis-sea-level-habitat-loss

To say nothing of the sewerage systems

 

Al Gore at the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Conference.

Well, it is now 13 years later. And gee, there is still ice there!

Al Gore has been screaming this for over 2 decades now. His speaking fees are in excess of $100k, and then there is his Oscar winning "documentary" from 2006. Funny, none of the things he was screaming seems to have come true, but we still must believe him.

So, are we lying, or was he lying? Because this is not simply made up, the man made a movie for goodness sakes! He has been the Messiah for Climate Change now for over 2 decades.

You see, this is why I laugh at so many. You scream it is some kind of conspiracy. Should we arrange a viewing of An Inconvenient Truth someday? And you can then point out exactly how everything that is wrong came in reality from some kind of "denialist site".

 

Oh! I don’t know. From my viewpoint the “I gotta have muh gun or I die” crowd beat us all hands down

 

Miss the part about “some of the models” meanwhile the North West passage…….

Someone (not an actual scientist) once said something that was based on a calculation which in hindsight was not accurate (mostly because we have had a reduced solar output) and this makes all the science ever written on the subject suspect??



The last couple of solar cycles have been lower than expected

 

Because you know more than all the oceanographers and geologists studying this - right?

 

That has been going on there for thousands of years.

Florida largely rests on limestone, and as such it is like swiss cheese with caverns just under the surface (and frequently below the water table). Paleontologists and divers both love them, because there is not only great diving in them, but a lot of ice age and later fossils are frequently found in them.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...ent-humans-mastodon-knife-bones-bering-strait

Sinkholes are not new, they literally cover the entire state. And case in point, sea level was a hell of a lot lower 14kya ago than it was now.

And one of the oldest they have been able to date is Sheeler Lake, at around 24kya. So I guess that was caused by "Global Warming" also?

So in reality, screaming about "sinkholes in Florida" and trying to attach them to "Global Warming" is about as silly as trying to attack volcanoes in Hawaii and earthquakes in California to "Global Warming".

 

oy!
More hyperbole, half facts, cherry picking and misconstrued twaddle

Yes the sea level was lower during the Younger Dryas



That is because it was an ICE AGE

Goal post shift my post was not about sinkholes but a rising water table

 

And this I would love to hear an explanation about. Where exactly is "sea level" on the planet not "sea level" on another part of the planet?

Oh, and I know how one can play with the data. That the Mediterranean is often higher or lower, as the Straight of Gibraltar restricts the amount of water that can enter and leave in regards to the movement of water being pulled by the gravity of the moon. And that tidal change is larger in the Pacific than the Atlantic, as that is a larger body of water. Therefore there is more to "slosh" around in the basin id resides in, often making the tides more dramatic.

But none of that has a damned thing to do with the simple fact that "sea level" is "sea level" worldwide. It is not any kind of "localized" phenomenon, other than as local topography may change it during tides (the Turnagain Arm is a classic example of that).



So please explain in a factual matter how that is really not the case. Dump 1 trillion gallons of water into the ocean (or remove it), and it will affect the level of all the oceans. So what you said really does make absolutely no sense at all.

 

No, actually I am not cherry picking at all. Fact, sinkholes have existed in Florida since before recorded history. They are nothing new, just because humans have been there a few hundred years has nothing to do with the fact they have been happening for tens of thousands of years (and longer).

And no, you are making a false connection. Trying to claim the rising water table is causing them. When in fact, it has not a damned thing to do with them at all, there is no connection at all between the two.

You are trying to claim a "smoking gun" that is not even related. Basically, you heard the gunshot of a shotgun, then found a .380 cartridge. And are now trying to prove that they are somehow connected. They are not connected. Florida has been having these for tens of thousands of years, even before the sea levels started to rise. It is simply due to their geology.

 

You really haven’t read any of the papers on this have you?



It is not even across the planet

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

See when you rely on denialist sites for you climate change information you end up being misinformed

 

Different subject I never mentioned sink holes

 

Nonsense. Even your source attributes specific areas to land SETTLING, not the ocean rising.

In another 1000 years we'll have to pick up our blanket and move it a foot or two.

 

She didn't even read her own source, since it mentions all of that and points to it on a map.

 

It is both but I am betting you did not read the entire article and how much this is already costing Florida

 

Not a single climate prediction since the 1950's has actually happened.

It's all nonsense.

Even if there are changes, they'll be measured in thousands of years. Even if our technology doesn't keep the same pace as the last 200 years, and assuming we don't kill each other, in 1000 years what we can do will look like magic compared to what we have now.

 

Yes because sea levels rising only affect specific states.

From your own source:

Regional differences exist because of natural variability in the strength of winds and ocean currents, which influence how much and where the deeper layers of the ocean store heat.

 

And sea level rise is adding to the issue - a rise that is relentless and only going to get worse

 

Sure. Everyone on the beach should start running to stay ahead of a couple inches in their lifetimes.

 

Everybody knows that when you get in the bathtub the water is distributed at random levels around the tub.

 

No I am not going there again proving how wrong you are

keep your beliefs because, in the long run, it will make no difference. The world has already accepted what is on the IPCC reports and have already committed to addressing the issue. Even China has signed on to ambitious emission reduction.

Will Ye or Nil Ye climate change IS happening, it IS following predicted models and the global community HAS agreed to action it

 

It's simple but anytime government tries to write a policy to put it in action, they completely screw it up and instead of money going to the transition and infrastructure, it goes to special interests.

 

Yes just like the satellite photos show

shakes head

https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/

Learn

 

Speak for your own government

This is a GLOBAL issue - you know affecting those bits of the world outside the USA?