Theory - this abortion thing is a leftist election scam

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think about it!
    There are way more pro-choice republicans then there are pro-life democrats.
    In what way does this help Republicans? It doesn't!
    This is all a leftist inspired scam so when election time comes they can push the narrative that republicans want to control women's bodies.
    Whatever strings they pulled to cheat 2020 election they have now pulled strings with the SC.
    I see no way this would help Republicans when the most important issue to them is inflation, not abortions.
    Feel free to make fun and talk all the smack you want, just remember, I did preface this thread, IN THE TITLE, with the word "THEORY"
     
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    Could you explain how this works exactly?

    Are you suggesting that the leaked document was fake, and the SCOTUS doesn't intend to overturn Roe?

    The decision will come out in June. So it being leaked isn't the reason it will be known before the election. If anything, it being leaked will give the rage time to die down some before November.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I'm not suggesting it was fake. I'm suggesting they pulled strings to steer the SC in this direction AND had it leaked on purpose, not that its fake. We all know that if a woman really wants an abortion, no law is gonna stop them and will probably just lead to coat hangar abortions. ANOTHER talking point they can use as a weapon. IMO this leaked document makes Democrats look good and I don't believe that is all a coincidence.

    again, this is my theory and I believe the democrats are superior when it comes to being shady. Hell even republicans I know are pissed off about this. As I said, there are many pro-choice republicans out there (they just aren't into the truly sick stuff like post birth abortions and so on)
     
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    Well if they talk about anything else like the economy it will be a strong reminder for the voters as to why they should not vote for them.
     
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    Since the left is failing everywhere else right now, they need something else to talk about.
    But it won't work just like it didn't work in Virginia.
     
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    So liberals tricked the SCOTUS into overturning Roe?
     
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    LOL! Extremist RW SC judges make extremist decision to push extremist laws (which the pro-life crowd has been salivating over for decades) down Americans' throats, based on the judges getting on the SC through minority rule. But, it must be all the Dems' fault. Okay, that makes a lot of sense....
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “Ya know. If r v w is overturned we can make it very worth your while”
    The SC are just as dirty as politicians are
     
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    Democrats had to have something. It's not like they can run on the economy, or domestic policy, or foreign policy.. They have to have a wedge issue. This has been discussed before. And as in the previous conversations, the most glaring and obvious observation here is that while democrats want to continue down the road of population control especially within minority communities, they also have something of a vested interest in the organ harvesting market that abortion and most importantly late term abortions contribute to. As with so many things democrats are for, if you just barely scratch the surface of why they support bodily autonomy, but just for (as Janet Yellen now infamously has stated to the senate) women must be available to work, in the labor force. Hmm.. so tarted up in the guise of "financial independence" ms Yellen announced the unmentionable part of abortion is making sure those women find their way into the labor force. And isn't that special..

    Republicans might just want to sit this one out, and allow democrats in all their furry, to continue to voice all of those tawdry little secrets and make sure the public is made aware of them. This doesn't help republicans per se, but they should certainly give democrats every opportunity to continue to spew their crazy far and wide for all the regular folk to hear.
     
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    One might believe, given your post here, that you don't actually understand what happens after Roe. The OG RBG certainly understood the legal logic behind the fragility of Roe. Which was why she didn't support the decision either. And remember, if Roe decision is removed, all that really means is that the states and the voters will decide for themselves. And, if, as democrats contend, the "majority" wants it, well, you'll see the marotiy in the states get what they want. Isn't that what democrats refer to when they demand equity and democracy?
     
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    Sorry bud, you are in tin foil hat area.

    Republican states have passed bills over the past few years that were going to force the SCOTUS to make a ruling. Trump stacked the court with pro life judges.

    This ball has been rolling for years, and it has been driven by conservatives. It was inevitable.
     
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    Dems neither brought the suit in MS that has Roe on the brink of being overturned nor did they schedule mid summer for the ruling to be issued.
     
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    aren't you the guy who thinks the q anon cult is democratic?

    'cause this idea is right there with that one. no republican could win any office at any level anywhere unless the evangelicals show up to vote. this may be their #1 issue, but with a victory here they can begin to prepare their next culture war offensive.
     
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    Why do you think folks won't call you on your obvious lies? Democrats did bring the suit.
    The Center for Reproductive Rights, the law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, Mississippi civil rights attorney Robert B. McDuff, and the Mississippi Center for Justice brought a challenge in Jackson, Mississippi against a regime of Mississippi laws and regulations that have created unconstitutional barriers to the right to access safe, legal abortion and that violate the Supreme Court’s standard in Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt.
    Not a republican in the bunch. So even if you try to claim your language was "imprecise" you intended to misinform folks with your post.
     
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    yea, the poster you quoted misspoke, but the Republicans in Mississippi passed a law that clearly violated Roe, so the lawsuit was inevitable.

    If the law hadn't violated a previous SCOTUS ruling, then they wouldn't have had to overturn Roe to keep the law in place.

    Republicans were the driving force behind Roe being overturned, and it is laughable that anyone would try to suggest otherwise.
     
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    Ah…so you think the SC judges will be paid off. Got it.
     
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    You do realize that State Legislators can, and do pass legislation. it is up to their state courts to determine if it violates their own constitution, and as we're seeing here, the state legislation is also currently being reviewed in the SCOTUS to ensure that the federal constitution hasn't been otherwise violated. Roe, like cases before it that have been overturned, it is up to the current court to create a finding or remand it back to the lower courts for more precise resolution.

    Just because I have an idea how you will react, why do you support states that have legalized MJ? You realize it violates federal law, and several court cases from the SCOTUS that have upheld those federal laws, right? So which theory are you going to respect here? Stare Decisis, or Legislative supremacy.... tick tock....
     
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    Didn't MS appeal the lower court ruling that resulted in the case going to the SC?
     
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    LOL.... Was it really just a mistake though?
     
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    You don't have a clear understanding of how these things work. You are comparing apples and oranges. There isn't a SCOTUS ruling that ensured the right to smoke MJ.
     
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    My theory is that Sasquatch was the who bribed them. He offered them chupacabra meat. Justices just can't resist chupacabra meat. He's also going to offer them leprechaun gold if they overturn gay marriage.
     
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    No one told you to vote republican if you don't want to control women, and set them back to their 'designated roles".
    Don't vote republican if you don't support that outcome.
     
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    Didn't MS appeal the lower court ruling that resulted in the case going to the SC?
     
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    If this is a scam how did they get all those Republicans to vote for limiting abortion. Think about it.
     
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    I totally agree that this is a leftist leak, simply because the right has absolutely nothing to gain, especially in a year they will clearly win big at the polls. My guess is that the leaker is hoping this will cause pressure on the justices to change their vote etc.

    With that being said I wanted to comment upon the above notion. From an election standpoint, I dont think the reality that there are more pro-choice Conservatives makes a bit of difference. People can support various issues, but that does not mean that they vote based on those issues. If they really vote based upon that issue, they would not be a Republican voter in the first place. The vast majority of people vote based on economics, and something like abortion or even a global warming believing Republican are just window dressing. That is not to say that there are not passionate people relating to these issues, but those passionate people are already voting with the party that supports their position on that issue. The same principle applies to independents. If they vote based on that particular issue, they would not be an independent.

    I happen to be a Conservative that believes abortion should be legal, but I also believe that Roe v Wade was nonsensical judicial activism, and thus it should be in the hands of the states. The odds of this issue making me vote Democrat is exactly zero. Especially with the current crop of whackjobs.
     
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