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  1. Imnotreallyhere

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    How many times did Trump declare bankruptcy? Remind me.
     
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    Again? How many times is this piece of made up crap going to be posted? It's all made up, all you need do is look at the numbers. My favorite is 40k severe allergic reactions resulted in 24.4k deaths and 44.5k people permanently disabled.

    It's make believe and unfortunately some have been made to believe.
     
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    Well, one segment has certainly been dumbed down to the point that they think conspiracy theorists are critical thinkers... beatinoff_zps3b07b48c (1).gif
     
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    Trump has never been bankrupt or declared himself bankrupt. He's done what thousands of millionaires and billionaires have done, and that's to load debt onto a company (or more) and let those go bankrupt. It can be a way to protect, minimize impact on, or increase your wealth at the cost of others. If you have the Morales to do this, you will likely become a millionaire or billionaire.

    I applied for a company loan and despite my company being eligible, as director, the bank wanted me to be guarantor on the loan. In a way, the banks have wised up.

    So Trump has taken advantage of corporate bankruptcies but zero personal bankruptcies. This infuriates the Left.
     
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    So yeah, using loopholes to make one's self rich at the costs of others does infuriate the Left. It doesn't infuriate you? Why not?
     
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    It's not a loophole. It doesn't infuriate me because I'm not an emotional lefty.
     
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    So he's essentially a thief in your opinion, rather than incompetent, exploiting others for his own advantage. Since the original question was about his fitness for the presidency over Biden's fitness, I'd say either way he's on the short end.

    I don't bear him any animosity for declaring bankruptcy. The conversation was over his supposed fitness to be POTUS. IMO, declaring bankruptcy is a definite black mark. doing so multiple times is multiple black marks. Whether he was motivated by greed or forced by bad judgement only changes the type of mark, not the fact of it.
     
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    Actually, when you see that 40K severe reactions resulted in 69K deaths and permanent disabilities, not to mention 10s of thousands of other serious illnesses, you have to know the numbers are make believe and not by someone particularly smart.
    I hesitate to comment on your state to quote this as reality. Repeatedly...
     
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    Trump a thief for using the law, the bankruptcy laws? Are you saying the law is aiding and abetting?

    Just because someone does something that complies to the law and you don't like it, doesn't mean that person is a thief, it means, their knowledge of the laws is much greater than yours.

    I go sole trader in the UK, my tax is some £5,000+ per year. So I go Limited company, it costs £13 a year, I use the laws, my tax bill is virtually zero. Are you calling me a thief, or, a law abiding citizen? Why didn't YOU know about the Limited Company route, lack of knowledge?

    Don't claim things about people where you have a lack of knowledge. When knowledge of company and tax is low, the tax they pay is often high.
     
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    No, it means they are in a position to use or abuse the law to their advantage against those to whom they have a fiduciary responsibility. Trump screwed his creditors on multiple occasions. That they helped him do it is not an excuse.

    I have never done business in the UK and never wanted to. This would excuse my ignorance of their tax law.

    On the other hand, I have some knowledge of Trump's bankruptcies and other occasions where he has been caught with his hand in the financial cookie jar. His 'university' and his 'charity' are two cases in point.

    As I said before, as I recall, the original conversation was about relative competence. Bankruptcy is transparently either about financial incompetence, actual dishonesty, or both. Given Trump's carelessness with the truth and his foolish decisions, I am presently unable to make a judgement between the three. If any apply, he is manifestly unfit to be POTUS.

    Bankruptcy is not the same as taxes. The two are completely different. Your conflation of the two is either a display of your own ignorance or disingenuous

    Where did you get off on taxes? This was about bankruptcy. I'm not about to follow you down whatever rabbit hole you're in there.
     
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    If someone abuses the law, then they're a thief. If someone uses the law, they're not a thief. It's that simple. So at one time, you could wind a business up as insolvent and the creditors get little to none. Now, if the law allows you to raise funds off shareholders, leave the debt with that company and declare it bankrupt, then it's legit. So if your own morales won't do that, then that is simply your choice. If your morales allows you to do that, you remain solvent and increase your funds.

    If you want to earn big, you use debt, but you need to make sure it's not attached to you. Limited company's means the owner(s), shareholder(s) are only limited to the shares. So if I set up a company and issued one £1 share, paid the company £1, traded a number of years and racked up debt, I would lose my £1 stake and nothing more. But banks are wise to this, that's why they seek a guarantor to the debt. It's likely the assets are inflated and the loan secured against those assets, that's common.

    I sought a £100,000k loan and the bank wanted me to be guarantor. Just so happened when covid kicked off, the UK government secured bank loans of up to 80% of the company's turnover, thus the UK government being the guarantor on these loans. So I claimed 80% of my turnover as a loan, my Limited Company received it and if I took this money out in legit ways per the law, I could wind the business up as insolvent. The bank would get it's money back off the government. But I wish to keep trading and I wouldn't do that anyhow.

    So if someone claims Trump is a thief, they should provide their evidence to the FBI etc.. to prosecute, otherwise, it's purely opinion and noise based on disliking Trump. Nothing more.
     
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    Two words for you: Trump Foundation.
     
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    Then the foundation was legit, lol
     

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