Elon Musk as Republican presidential candidate and next Prez?

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  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    I know that many think Elongated Muskrat is a genius inventor, but he's Steve Jobs, not Steve Wozniak. Edison, not - ironically - Tesla...
     
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    No. But you chase that squirrel. He went that-a-way! :arrow::arrow::arrow:

    :roflol:
     
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    He's not republican and he wasn't born here...geez man.
     
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    Are you the squirrel? Because I'm chasing you for an explanation.
     
  5. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    I've already explained it to you - more than once. I can't understand it for you. You're flying solo from here on out, bruh...
     
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    Are you miffed that you said it wasn't "or", and it was?
     
  7. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm seriously wondering how fluent you actually are in English.

    Snip, snap, snout - this trolling attempt has played out!
     
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    It's alright. We all make those little whoopsies now and then :)
     
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    And you keep doubling down on yours.
     
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    You mean I keep niggling you with yours? :p
     
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    I don't like that idea. I really hope some future generations start paying attention to the things most important when nominating and electing our lawmakers and CIC.

    Beyond that, why did you put a frowning emoji behind your opinion that he would be an excellent POTUS?
     
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    " If Musk runs, I will too. I have better hair ... "
    ~ It doesn't matter. Musk can just get a birth certificate from the same place where Obama got his. :wink:
     
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    the constitution made an exception for washingron, adams, etc who were born before there was a united states to be born in, not to disqualify everyone born after 1789.
     
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    putin is at least 35 years old. does he qualify? how about prince harry? oe would the first dutchess be to classy for you guys?

    ALL THREE QUALIFICATUONS ARE NECESSARY, but as trump proved , they are sadly not sufficient.
     
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    Hell no.

    Look what they've done with Trump. Think they won't do that to Musk if he dares to try to be President?

    The word is out. Only political elites are acceptable to run for President. Anyone else need not apply lest they be drawn and quartered through every part of both the public eye AND the legal system. They will use the legal system to actively search for a crime, any crime. Doesn't matter to them that that is not how its supposed to be done in America.
     
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    Sorry, he can't be President. In order for him to be President he has to have at least one parent that was an American citizen at the time of his birth. (Though that does vary depending on the laws at the time of his birth) Or he had to have been born on US soil or territory held by the US.
     
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    All I know is that a direct quote (copied and pasted) from Article 2 is, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States......... shall be......"
     
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    The Constitution reads, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States........... shall be......"
     
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    Yes. Natural born citizen. Not naturalized citizen. Naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens.
     
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    The frakking manual reads, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States...... shall be......." What am I reading incorrectly?
     
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    Maybe don't skip the parts you dotted out.

    You have to be a natural born citizen, or you would have had to be a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. Musk is neither.
     
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    What am I reading wrong in, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States...... shall be....."?
     
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    How is it possible that people in a Political Opinions and Beliefs forum don't know the first thing about eligibility for US President?
     
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    "or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
     
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    Article 2 states, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

    What I highlighted in bold is the key here. When the Constituiton was adopted, all free white persons living in the thirteen colonies became citizens. This bold part is only applicable to those individuals.

    Here is an except of that analysis, "All Presidents from Martin Van Buren on were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence. The principal issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause is whether a child born abroad of American parents is a natural born citizen in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute.1 Whatever the term natural born means, it no doubt does not include a person who is naturalized. Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that [a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens.2 Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens . . . .3 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.4 There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens.5 Whether the Supreme Court would decide the issue should it ever arise in a case or controversy—as well as how it might decide it—can only be speculated about."

    https://constitution.congress.gov/b...cept a natural,been fourteen Years a Resident

    From Federated American Scientists (FAS), it states, "The apparent purposes of this citizenship clause were thus to assure the requisite fealty and allegiance to the nation from the person to be the chief executive of the United States, and to prevent wealthy foreign citizens, and particularly wealthy foreign royalty and their relatives, from coming to the United States, becoming naturalized citizens, and then scheming and buying their way into the Presidency or creating an American monarchy. The possibility of satisfying these purposes would appear to be as likely from an interpretation of the term “natural born” citizen which would include one who is a citizen “at birth” by either common law principles of jus soli, that is, being born on the soil (in the general usage of the term, one who is “native born”), or by the operation of statutory law of the principles of jus sanguinis, that is, through the law of descent by being born to U.S. citizens abroad. That is, one who is a citizen of the United States “at birth” by descent under federal law could develop the requisite allegiances and reverences for the United States passed down, inculcated, and taught by one’s parent-citizens, and would have a lifetime of allegiance to the United States at least as strong, in a theoretical sense, as one of a “native born” citizen.40 Native born citizens, that is, those born “in” the country, who are subject to its jurisdiction, regardless of the nationality or citizenship of their parents, have always under British common law, as well as under the laws of the original states, and then the United States since its founding, been considered to have the “natural” allegiance and ties to the nation."
     

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