maybe its time to go back to harsher penalties for horrible crimes?

Again, I’m not intimately familiar with the crime stats for totalitarian states. Would you mind linking some studies?

 

So then you’re not interested in solving the problem. In order to solve a problem you have to understand why it exists. You have to address the cause. You can’t punish your way out of bad behavior. The data doesn’t support the efficacy of that approach.

 

After looking back, you are correct. My apologies.

 

Do you support restorative justice? Helping the incarcerated return to society as productive members of society?

We can complain about recidivism if we’re unwilling to do anything about it.

 

If you are gonna let them out it sure as hell better be restorative otherwise they are likely to go back to what they know with regards to making money

 

Oh, I'm interested in solving the problem, just not the way you are interested in solving the problem. Your method has been tried for age infinity. At least my method doesn't give a chance for repetition and taxpayer expense for those who physically harm others. As I said, proven beyond a doubt, confessed, and a year to prove otherwise.

 

Exactly! We should support education and jobs training for the incarcerated and job placement/housing assistance for the recently released. You’d be surprised what people will do when given the opportunity to succeed.

 

What exactly is my method that has been tried “for age infinity”?

 

Trying to understand the 'why' does not 'fix' the 'why'. Unless you are full-time in the heads of people, you can guess who might be a problem, but getting into the pre-emptive aspect of assumed actions of any group is not a door you want to open.

 

Thats how they do it in the Middle East and I don't view their society as a model I would want to duplicate here. Having people view stoning or people broken on the wheel can desensitize people to violence.

One factor is their desire to be infamous. Each of these killers get their mugshot broadcast around the country. Without posting a picture, you already know what most of these killers look like when you see their name.

I would change their names and images so that the killer would be remembered under the name Loser McPoopypants and the image would have an L on their forehead and some clown makeup.

 

I’m not trying to get in the heads of people or preemptively determine the likely hood of criminality. What I believe is the most efficacious approach, which many experts seem to agree with (I didn’t come up with this on my own after all), is to look at factors that are heavily related to undesirable activities. The goal is not to micromanage the individual. The goal is to address the material conditions that affect society on a much wider scale.

Now, by all means tell me all about how we should kill our criminals.

 

This is something I had honestly not considered. Great point! I still think the horrific act will deter people and there won't be enough of it to get up to the point of desensitization but that is just my opinion.

 

Only to note the irony that the left doesn't seem to be able to define common sense terms any more.

Things like getting caught red-handed in the act of committing a crime, backed up by indisputable video evidence, having multiple witnesses who know the perp personally say, "It was Bill Smith, the guy sitting at the defendant's table", and probably a whole lot of other things that I'm not even thinking of. But we employ Legislatures to legally define such things. I'm just a guy with common f-ing sense.

 

Given the Buffalo killer apparently wanted to be famous and tried to kill themselves, I'm not sure how much threatening to kill them and make them famous would act as a deterrent.

Motives for crimes broadly fall in to three categories; need, greed and insanity. Effective punishment can have some effect with the first two but is unlikely to in the third. That area (all three in truth) needs much more focus on prevention, identifying and addressing causal factors before they lead to extreme consequences.

 

I feel the same way. They deserve death by a thousand cuts.

 

These all either rely on people telling the truth or forgetting about technological advancements in deep fakes that are only going to become more convincing with time.

Reasonable doubt? Sure. No doubt? Absolutely not.

 

That would violate the 8th amendment of the US Constitution for those crimes here. This would include public beheading, the drawn and quartering, raging bull, Iron Lung, and others.