Buffalo white supremacist Terrorist

Well, one was a security guard trying to stop him.

 

Not to mention the number of leftists that didn't find out Rittenhouse shot 3 white guys until his trial.

 

I see.

So one white man was trying to stop another white man from killing black people.

 

Sure.

Just like the Sanders supporter who tried to kill a baseball field full of Republicans and the lunatic that attacked Rand Paul at his home.

 

Except for the fact that he says he's an authoritarian leftist, sure.

Other than that, great argument you got there.

 

Who is "Sanders"? The Colonel? Maybe he thought it was a field of chickens...

 

Right
Guns kill people
Hate speech kills people
Spoons make people fat

Just curious, what was the hate speech or replacement conspiracy problem that caused 13% of the population to commit 55.9% of all homicides in 2021?
What was the hate speech or replacement conspiracy problem that has caused blacks to murder 585 blacks in just the last 365 days in Chicago?
What was the hate speech or replacement conspiracy problem that has caused the mass murder of 155 blacks by other blacks in Chicago just this year alone
Love to hear this

 

LOL. Are you motivated to shoot people by hate speech? Changing a word here or there won’t help your cause.

Golem, why does hate speech “motivate” one person to kill but not another? Are you admitting hate speech motivates you to kill? Does hate speech motivate everyone to kill?

Perhaps you should consider addressing whatever it may be that makes this NOT a binary issue you claimed it was.

Because you don’t debate.

You make unsupportable statements lacking a basis in critical thought and then respond with fallacious arguments when asked to make an intellectual argument to back your statements.

It probably is a waste of time for you. Posting endless streams of fallacy just decreases credibility. But you do it so I’m very willing to take the opportunity to demonstrate to others the bankrupt status of unsubstantiated opinions you post. It’s very important for critical thinkers to see how shallow progressive thought is, so my time here is very productive pointing that out. I’m grateful for posters who can be used as props to demonstrate the lack of intellectual depth in progressivism.

Then don’t post in binary. You are the one who has claimed ONE thing, hate speech, motivated this murder spree. I’ve been patiently trying to get you to abandon your binary position. I have not made a binary claim at all, so you are projecting.

I’m glad you have admitted binary metrics don’t apply here. That means there is hope for you to discover why hate speech doesn’t motivate you to kill. Unless it does and you are not able to admit it….

If I were to deny the existence of binary causative metrics in the real world you would not have anything to eat. LOL

 

Can someone link to T. Carlson’s hate speech? I’m not a consumer of that type of program but I’d be interested in seeing what these allegations are based on.

 

"Call me an ethno-nationalist eco-fascist national socialist if you want, I wouldn’t disagree with you,"

But being proven wrong won't affect the fact that you'll spew the NEXT nonsense you hear on your MAGA-extremist radio, right?

 

You made a maniacal act a matter of politics and blamed "right wingers". That'd be Republicans. Then you go on about white supremacists and say nothing of the fact that black murders of whites and crimes against society by blacks are fifteen times that of whites. Yes, any murder is wrong. But keep it in perspective and clean your own house.

 

I'm not even motivated to hold a gun for ANY reason.

I have no idea why some people are motivated by some things to do certain things, and not others. That's a question for a mental health professional.

Your post is too long, and so far it lacks the least bit of interest. Let me check if you actually posted a point worth debating....
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Nope! Thanks anyway.

 

Wrong!!! Read the OP

ALWAYS read the OP before you post.

 

even to save your own life, or that of another person?

 

Thanks. So we can’t conclude hate speech motivated this murder. It has to be something that makes people susceptible to hate.

Wow. You don’t know why you aren’t motivated to kill? That’s almost as scary as this murderer we are discussing.

That’s fine. These concepts are far too complex for progressives to understand. Progressives are incapable of intellectual discussion. All we get from them is unsubstantiated opinions they glean from those they see as their betters and then endless fallacy. As always, thanks for being a prop. And thanks for admitting actual solutions to violence don’t interest you.

 

Something that makes people susceptible to shooting people because of hate speech. Or are you still looking for a binary cause? You're not going to find it. Because the REAL world is NOT binary. You need crazy people who are susceptible, and crazy people who deliver hate speech, and a country with practically NO gun control, and black neighborhoods, and supermarkets, and cars, and... many many other things.

So of all those elements, we control those that we CAN control. Hate speech is the first to stand out. Gun Control might be a distant second, and then susceptible crazy people,... at the bottom of the list the other factors which you CAN'T control.

But nothing works if people don't FIRST try to call out the white supremacists who deliver the hate speech that triggered this.

 

Your shooter buddy was an eco-Leftist. He never watched FOX news in the first place.

So exactly where did he get his motivation and where did he learn to hate? He believed in the Green Propaganda. Just curious as to where his hate was actually fomented. MSNBC ? CNN ? PBS ?

Sounds like you claim that you want to call out the actual source.

So.. Which LEFIST source of hate speech are your going to blame?

 

"Call me an ethno-nationalist eco-fascist national socialist if you want, I wouldn’t disagree with you,"

As far as debate styles, the main difference between the left and the right is that left wingers take every precaution they can to be right. The right-wingers don't care. They'll just throw at the wall ANY piece of crap they hear on MAGA-extremist media and see if anything sticks.

 

They can't because it's fake news performative outrage in an attempt to censor as competitor that consistently draws a much larger audience than they do.

 

Fake News. The wild eyed racist haters pushing replacement theory are on the left.

The Buffalo shooter was an eco-socialist racist who hated Fox News and Ben Shapiro.

"The shooter admits that he’s a socialist"

“Worker ownership of the means of production?” he writes. “It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions.”

"The diatribe implies “those workers” better be white gentiles who worship Mother Earth. Here, crucially, is the shooter on his homicidal obsession with environmentalism."

None of that is the mainstream constitutionalism so popular among Conservatives.

"“Green nationalism is the only true nationalism,” he wrote. “There is no conservatism without nature, there is no nationalism without environmentalism, the natural environment of our lands shaped us just as we shaped it. We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands. The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world cannot exist in a world of 100 billion, 50 billion, or even 10 billion people."

The shooter clearly has swallowed Left Wing Propaganda by the Truckload.

"Continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. Not a place where English is the de facto language but a place where every European language, belief and tradition is valued. Each nation and each ethnicity was molded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM.”"

Environmental Wackjob meets Left Wing Replacement Theory.

You have two ears and only one mouth. Try listening twice as much as you lecture.

Did the Liberal Media Just Gloss Over These Three Key Words in the Buffalo Shooter’s Manifesto?

“Sort of hard to use the manifesto and this shooting to attack conservatives when the person described himself as a racist eco-fascist, or green nationalist, who says ‘conservatism is dead. Thank God.’”

And you wonder why you guys are being so soundly rejected by the Electorate?

 

I'm guessing you think that says "right winger". LoL.

 

Again I’ll reiterate. It’s you who is looking for binary causes not me. I’ve never claimed one thing is responsible. You make that up as a fallacious argument. A strawman.

I’ll also reiterate that many things in the real world are binary. For example, binary code which is quite real.

The place to start is with what makes people susceptible to hate at this level. Why? Because hate speech is (by your account) quite rampant. On the other hand, the susceptibility of people to that speech that leads to these murders is very rare in comparison. Mathematically it makes more sense to focus on the numerically smaller problem. There are hundreds of millions of guns and by your account a preponderance of hate speech. Both are also legal. Why not address the much smaller problem?

If you wish to address the things that are not the root problem you must address free speech, social media, legal firearm ownership, right to assemble and other things just as or more responsible for this as “hate speech”. It’s far more logical to address the perpetrators and what drives them to this level of hate and disregard for life.

Consider the war on drugs. Very ineffective to try and reduce drug use by attempting to force people to not use drugs. Much more effective to understand why a person wants to use drugs and address that.

You list a bunch of things you say we can’t control. But we could. Just as easily as the select things you wish to control.

Can you please link to the specific hate speech that triggered this? Not someone’s opinion, the actual speech.

In the context of your thread OP, I have an idea. You come to my place for a while and do the killing for yourself you now hire me to do on your behalf and you may have a better understanding of why certain firearms are useful for more than killing people you don’t like.

 

A handful of progressives started threads with similar premises using the exact same vague accusations. The threads and posts are plagiarized from somewhere. I’m curious what talking head they all watch.

 

So, Democrats believe replacing African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Arabic Americans, and Caucasian Americans with illegal invaders from wherever is White Supremacy? Problem is that minorities aren't even buying what Democrats are selling. Don't project your White Supremacy on Republicans. Democrats are the ones worshiping at the feet of Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd in the Capitol and the monument of White Supremacist Stephen Douglas in Chicago.

Hold off dancing on the corpses of the dead in Buffalo. The killer chose to travel 200 miles to New York because of their fierce gun laws. He also knew to wear body armor because the likelihood that a security guard would be armed to penetrate the armor, like with an AR, would be nil.

 

If the racial relationship here were reversed, you would be telling us that systemic racism drove the black shooter over the edge, and he is not responsible for his anger. But given the shooter is white, how he may have been treated by blacks has nothing to do with it. Any rational person will agree the kid was off his rocker. Any rational person would know that does not indite the rest of the white race. A rational person.

Blacks kill 4X their population share. A population of 13% commit 53% of the murders in America. The ratio of most violent crimes follows that same path. In terms of felony assault, a white man is 42 times more likely to be assaulted by a black man that a black man is by a white man. There are a lot of people who have just cause for hostile perceptions of black people- yet the source of most violence remains the black community, and the door to their advancement has long been open.... but poorly appreciated. That is Systemic; a factor with a level of commonality such that is does indeed justify perception of such people as potentially dangerous.

Banning weapons... the continuous evasion of personal responsibility rises again. You're not stupid. You know that a gun is an inanimate object, a tool- that has absolutely no malice. But it, like hundreds of other things, can become a murder weapon- But only in the hands of a person with enough malice to make it so. IF you were smart, you would know that too.

I won't defend that kid or any other intentional murderer- In fact, I would support a fast-track to execution for those convicted with absolute certainty, regardless of race.
And if you are going to get on the weapons ban wagon again, be sure and advocate banning the weapon that kills more people than all types of rifles combined- fists and feet.