Buffalo shooting: Ten dead in attack at New York state supermarket

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    LoL "there's no difference between a grocery store and a shopping mall" (which of course there is) but you have a problem with me calling it what it was.

    You're not going to answer because the ratio of men to women was either 60/40 or 50/50, which means your argument is false.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How is freedom even being threatened?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Fox needs to be arrested and taken off the air. Free speech is one thing but this is very much like having a full blown organ of the Nazi Party telling people we should all go start killing people we dislike. At the same time we should look into arresting most of the high ranking Republican pols and pundits. Freedom doesn't mean you're allowed to advocate for the violent overthrow of the very government that is permitting you to advocate its demise, does it? If so it's just anarchy, there have to be limits.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Care to quote even one thing from FOX news "telling people we should all go start killing people we dislike"?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Anti-depressants aren't made to do that. Anti-depressants are made to keep you from killing yourself, and maybe taking a few others along
     
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    I don't know what kind of fantasy you are living in. Are you saying that real men sit in darkened bars in the middle of the day, getting drunk? Every predator who has ever walked the earth, goes for the most vulnerable or to take human life by surprise. And it is always evil. Whether its the mass murder of old women in a Church, unsuspecting shoppers at a grocery store, throngs of listeners at a country music concert, or a lone person walking home. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it. And there are no excuses for it. It is hideous. If it is so troublesome to you that the killer is white, then consider the fact that whites are murdered by blacks at twelve times the rate per capita that blacks are murdered by whites. <Mod Edit> Spare me then this nonsense of young white cowardice....a trait in which black culture is brimming. I'm not criticizing blacks. I'm telling you as an individual to back off and clean your own house. Then you can tell me how to clean mine. Surely you are familiar with Jesus Christs counsel about the mote and the beam.
     
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    Whether they're "made" to do something obviously doesn't necessarily have any bearing on what they actually do.

    Did you read that story about a woman who got sexually violated on a plane flight because she had taken a hefty dose of anti-anxiety medication and fell asleep? All throughout the sexual violation, her brain was sending signals that "there was nothing wrong", which is what this type of medication does. If it had not been for the heavy dose of medication, her brain would have immediately realized something was wrong and woken up.

    And ironically some anti-depressants have been associated with an increase in the suicide rate.

    Sorry, you're just not very well informed about this.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like a classic case of TDS.

    You think the other two big media companies are more honest than Fox?

    You do realize there are plenty of conservatives who don't think Fox is conservative enough, and think that network is pretending to be more conservative than they actually are?
     
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    Well, answer the question about what policies you'd like to implement in response to this story, and I think it will answer the question.

    Let's see, you seem to be in favor of limits on free speech and taking away gun rights, for starters.
     
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    I personally think there may have been some obvious signs that the perpetrator may have actually been on the "anarchist" Left and trying to make it look like he was on the "racist" Right, but the news media ignored all those indicators and is selectively misrepresenting this story, to do exactly what the perpetrator was intending to happen from carrying out these murders.

    And like I said before, there is a high chance anti-depressants may have been a factor in this story.
     
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    Free speech is really very limited, fire in theatres, Libel, etc. Gun rights are silly, like saying "murder rights" IMO
     
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    There are lots of people who think the wrong side won in WWII. I don't think we should give a fig for their opinions
     
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    Anarchy is apparently what they want.
     
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    Pure BS.

    This guy is what he claimed to be. DEAL WITH IT.
     
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    Isn't it still too early to tell? Shouldn't we wait for the details to have a chance to fully come out?

    Lots of things the media has been claiming about this don't make sense. Why were black people targeted? (It's not like black people are really "replacing" white people any more than they always have. NY state doesn't even have any problem or issue with black people moving there) Why were two of the victims white?

    Why did the shooter's "manifesto" use terminology that sounded like a Left-wing gun control supporter wrote it, in a way that no conservative gun owner would ever write?
     
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    The only thing I have seen from the right is a complete unhingement from reality, and that bonkers belief that more guns will make us safer is pure unadulterated hogwash. From 2010 to 2020, gun manufacturing has doubled year over year. There are way more guns out there, and guess what....we've only had more mass shootings. You would think with all those guns out there, and all those concealed carry permits that you guys would have something to show for your wild claims, and yet here we are, with more "thoughts and prayers".
     
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    I'm sorry, I'm not going to pander to your lame whatifs.
     
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    Free speech and gun rights already have limits

    As to news organizations being able to lie and push conspiracy theories that are cause people to kill others or attempt an insurrection against the government that should absolutely not fall under free speech. If they want to do so they should not be allowed to place “news” on the program.
     
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    So because it already has some limits we should add even more?
    Talk about the slippery slope issue!

    Sorry, just because people have already decided to restrict some rights is NOT a logical reason for wanting to restrict rights a lot more (or even a just little bit more).
     
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    As I said in the portion of my post you dishonestly deleted — news organizations shouldn’t be able to lie and push conspiracy theory. They should report the news not sensationalist rhetoric. If they want to behave as a tabloid then they should be labeled as such.
     
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    No they shouldn't, but it would be even worse to have the government get involved in deciding what is a "lie".

    If you want to discuss this further, it would probably be better to start a different thread.
     
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    Then appoint an independent organization to do so. It would not be so bad as people trying to destroy democracy or killing people because they fear being “replaced”
     
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    Probably just a lie from the media.
    Just for the sake of argument, even if this was a totally racist killing, the facts just do not fit very well that this had anything actually to do with the specific theory of "replacement".
    The Black population in Buffalo is not even increasing.
    Are we to believe this person came from a mostly white town and went all the way across the state to a big city that actually had a big black population because it was about "replacement"?
     
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    Neither will I. This story being carried by the media is actually a "what if", since we do not know the true motivations of the killer for certain.

    He almost seemed like he wanted to get caught, and left his alleged "reasons" for the authorities to find.
     
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