Durham: Clinton Campaign Fed Mainstream Media 'Unverified Derogatory' Information About Trump

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  1. Jack Hays

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    I think that's where the billing records come into play. IIRC, the time encompassing the FBI meeting was billed to the Clinton campaign.
     
  2. Egoboy

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    Yeah, that's certainly more of an issue than the text the night before... but it's also circumstantial... if you are going to convict somebody based on the hours and clients a lawyer bills, the prisons would be packed...

    To catch Sussmann in a lie, there needs to be some evidence a client sent/recommended/suggested Sussmann go to the FBI ..... EMAIL, Text, Phone Tap, Witness....
     
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    How so an be specific and you hyperbole noted.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Jonathan Turley is now a proclaimed MAGA by you so he is completely marginalized. Your desperation is getting about waist level now. Lack of rebuttal noted.
     
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    The text is not circumstantial it is Sussmann's own words. Perhaps you missed the devastating testimony today of the FBI agent involved.

    James Baker buries Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann in probe

    WASHINGTON, DC — A former FBI official delivered devastating testimony Thursday against former Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann — saying he’s “100% confident” the defendant denied acting “on behalf of any particular client” when he handed over since-debunked information linking Donald Trump and Russia.

    “I think it was pretty close to the beginning of the meeting. Part of his introduction to the meeting,” former FBI general counsel James Baker told jurors in Washington, DC, federal court......

    ...“He said that he was not appearing before me on behalf of any particular client,” Baker recalled.

    “He had information of concern about an apparent surreptitious communications channel between Alfa-Bank, which he described as being connected to the Kremlin in Russia, and some part of the Trump Organization in the US.”

    Baker testified that he was “100% confident that he said that in the meeting.”

    Baker said he probably wouldn’t have agreed to meet with Sussmann if he knew Sussmann was acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

    “That would raise very serious questions, certainly in my mind, about the credibility of the source and the veracity of the info — heightening, in my mind, whether we were going to be played or pulled into the politics,” he said.

    “We were aware of and wary of being played – having the fact of our investigation being the thing to enable the press to report on something flawed or incomplete.”

    Baker said the fact that Clinton had been investigated by the FBI over her use of a private email server while secretary of state would also have played a factor in his decision.

    “I think I would have said: Meet with case agents associated with the Hillary Clinton email investigation. Meet with the ‘Midyear Exam’ folks,” he testified.

    Baker said Sussmann’s assertions — which included a text message the night before that said he’d be “coming on my own — not on behalf of a client or company — want to help the Bureau’ — led him to treat Sussmann as a confidential FBI source.

    That decision stymied efforts to compile a complete “chain of custody” for two thumb drives of data that Sussmann gave Baker, FBI agent Scott Hellman testified Tuesday.

    “I do remember I was frustrated at not being able to ID who had provided these thumb drives to Mr. Baker. He was not willing to tell me,” Hellman said.

    During Thursday’s testimony, Baker said Sussmann told him that a reporter was working on a story about the Alfa Bank data, and that the threat of news coverage led him to take immediate action.

    “It affected my thinking about the urgency of the matter because I know that if a news organization were to publish something about an alleged surreptitious communications channel … as soon as that article came out the communications channel would disappear,” Baker told assistant Special Counsel Andrew DeFilippis.

    Minutes after his meeting with Sussmann, Baker said he briefed Bill Priestap, who at the time was assistant director of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, about the Alfa Bank information.

    In a phone call with Priestap, Baker vouched for Sussmann as a source, describing him as a “serious lawyer” with background in cybersecurity who previously worked in the Justice Department.

    Baker told Priestap that Sussmann was not acting on behalf of any client – a detail Priestap recorded in notes that Priestap took during the call and which were displayed in court.

    “Said not doing this for any client,” Priestap wrote.
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/fbi-official-james-baker-testifies-michael-sussman-lied/

    And another attorney produce records for her conversation with Baker.

    We know Sussmann was representing the Clinton campaign which had paid for the the false data to be produced and then paid for him to present it to the FBI under the lie he had proposed about who he represented and the press. We know that the other side of the conspiracy to smear Trump was then going to the press to leak it to them the FBI had started a counterintelligence investigation against Trump. We know the CIA director told President Obama about it and that it was for the purpose of creating the false story to divert from her email scandal.

    Are you ready to admit that this is one of if not the worst political smearing and dirty trick in our political history and that people should be going to jail over it?

    If not why not and don't give me some "well Trump did this.....".
     
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    Webb Hubbell went to jail over billing records and refusing to talk. Vince Foster killed himself over billing records so he wouldn't have to go to prison and be disbarred as a felon. It was the billing records under subpoena that Hillary claimed she had no knowledge of but then were found in the most secure residence in our country if not the world with her hand written notes and fingerprints on them, the ones that had mysteriously disappeared out of the Legal Counsel to the President's office the night of his suicide.

    So those who want to discard the billing records, either they prove Sussmann lied to the FBI or he made them up and falsely billed the campaign and DNC and should go to jail for it as did Webb Hubbell.
     
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    Great... so Baker and Sussmann 100% agree on what Sussman said... Excellent

    Proves nothing... except Baker and Sussmann 100% agree on what Sussmann said...
     
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    And Sussmann had previously denied it. And Sussmann was lying to the FBI not just about his role in the scheme for the data he was giving to them.. And the purpose of the lie and the scheme behind it was completely nefarious and designed to get Trump publicly and falsely accused of being a Russian agent and to give this false information to the FBI so they would use them to start an investigation into a private citizen. Don't you think someone should go to jail for that?
     
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    Nope. If he was on the clock when he lied then they have him.
     
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    Does the testimony of the primary witness "against" Sussmann change your mind?

    SNIP
    Testifying Thursday in the false-statement trial of former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, former FBI general counsel James Baker confirmed that he believed Sussmann was acting as a “good citizen” and not “on behalf of any particular client” when he requested a meeting to pass along what he said was evidence of illicit communications between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank.

    Baker was presented with notes taken by other members of FBI senior staff that confirmed that Baker relayed to them that Sussmann was not believed to be representing a client on the day of his meeting with Sussmann.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...od-citizen-not-on-behalf-of-clinton-campaign/

    Great witness for the prosecution there...
     
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    I'm sure Durham believes that makes his case, and is the reason the prosecution called Baker. It simply confirms that the FBI was taken in by Sussmann's lie.
     
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    That is certainly debatable. :angel:
     
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    Trump was right the entire time, this was all lying fake news.

    HILLARY CLINTON ‘AGREED’ TO LEAK TRUMP-ALFA BANK ALLEGATION TO MEDIA, EX-CAMPAIGN MANAGER TESTIFIES.

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    "After a discussion with senior campaign staff, Mook said that he "discussed it with Hillary as well" and that "she agreed ..."

    "A Text message, first located about two months ago, completely changed the prosecution’s case against Democrat lawyer Michael Sussmann. In particular, it wrecked the essence of Sussmann’s defense."

    That's because their defense was as full of lies as this FBI/Fake News/Hillary Clinton smear launched against a political rival followed by trying to drive him from office.

    "Sussmann lied to the FBI to conceal the identity of the clients on whose behalf he peddled to the bureau an iteration of the Clinton Campaign’s Trump–Russia “collusion” smear. Specifically, Sussmann pushed the so-called Alfa Bank angle, in which the campaign claimed Donald Trump had maintained a secret communications back channel to the Kremlin through servers at Alfa, an important Russian ..."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/05/in-the-sussmann-trial-what-a-difference-a-text-makes/

    I notice that the posters on the Left that pushed these lies are interestingly neither angry at the those that lied to them, nor embarrassed that they humiliated themselves in front of all of us.
     
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    Durham got what he wanted from Baker.
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    Takeaways from a critical witness in the John Durham probe's first trial
     
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    Has Durham won any court cases? Locked anyone up yet? It's been years and millions of tax dollars? What's he waiting for, Trump was POTUS for 4 years and Joe now for a year plus..
     
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    lock the lying bitch up , the media ran with it for 4 years . Thousands of hours of investigations were wasted, millions of dollars spent and the media lied for 4 years. she and her lying cronies need locked up and make to fess up on national tv.
    The national security advisor in the white house as we speak was involved in this and Biden's still has him on his staff.
     
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    Well, he got criminal mastermind Kevin Clinesmith to have a 1 year probational loss of his law license and 400 hours of community service, so I'd say its JOB WELL DONE....

    Anything after that is clearly gravy....
     
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    John Durham is a damage control specialist.
    No one should expect our corrupt political establishment to heal itself.
    IMO, the Durham investigations are a sham -- a waste of "years and millions of tax dollars".
     
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    Uh.... yeah.... You said the same thing twice there...

    This is really detailed and uses a lot of big technical terms, but it's worth a read to get a summary of what you clearly don't have...

    https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/09/lawsuits-indictments-revive-trump-alfa-bank-story/

    Nobody voted for or against T**** based on this story in 2016... They found suspicious internet connections that turned out to be probably benign.

    However, many of the human connections were not...
     
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    True. And yet the 240+ contacts with Russian agents don't mean anything to the Trumpers because Mueller believed that there wasn't enough evidence for a slam-dunk prosecution for a conspiracy to defraud the US.

    Hardly the stuff for an "exoneration" of that scumbag traitor.
     
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    *LOL*

    For, err, what? The harder Trumpers spaz out about Hillary, the guiltier Trump is.
     
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    It all goes back to the ridiculous (yet strangely legal) criteria Mueller used in his determinations....

    SNIP
    We understood coordination to require an agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...port-bill-barr-russia-intelligence-operations

    One of these days, that sentence will go down in infamy as one of the worst examples in US history of missing the forest AND the trees...
     
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    Interestingly, Dumb, Jr. got off the hook because he's too stupid to form the requisite intent.
     
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