The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

I voted for Carter.
Carter has got 17 votes by now.

 

Obama who demonstrated it in his opening days with the infamous "Beer Summit". He was naïve enough to believe that anything can just be talked out face to face and by the power of his personality he could convince people to change their ideologies and come to follow him. He then demonstrated it through his dealing especially in foreign policy where country and country walked all over him as he moved his red lines in the sand constantly backwards. Even the Nobel Peace Prize which he though he actually deserved just for existing as he stopped the seas from rising and the climate from changing just by being elected.

 

He is surely my second choice but would note Nixon thought wage and price controls would solve it first but then he was an economic liberal not conservative.

 

I think of Nixon as an average president who did a very poor job dealing with Watergate. Among recent republican presidents, I think he was better than Ford. But overall, I don't think we have had a truly effective president since Calvin Coolidge-the most recent economically conservative one. Trump could have been truly effective with a different personality.

 

He was above average in my view just based on his experience and his foreign policy and national security which I believe is the Presidents highest job. Contrary to historical revisionist he was some what liberal on social and financial matters. Ford couldn't win for losing and came into office in very difficult times. Had he been elected and came into office under more "normal" circumstances I think he could have been a very good President although not a very "celebrity" like that the media adores. Trump had the right policies, although not as fiscally conservative as I would have liked he did try to get across the board spending cuts, but as you noted and I did from the getgo his personality and his own mouth were his worst enemies.

 

Just a difference in priorities. For me the most important thing a president can do is protecting the nation and its people.. I follow that with protecting personal freedom. In third place for me is fiscal responsibility and that hasn't been practiced at any time in my lifetime. I was born during the FDR administration so it has been a while.

 

Well national defense and foreign policy go hand in hand with protecting the nation and the citizens. That is the highest responsibility of the federal government and thus the President. I don't know what you mean exactly by protecting personal freedom, the Judicial branch protects our rights and freedoms from being abuse by the government by enforcing the Constitution against the laws they might pass, the Executive does federal law enforcement. Second for me is management, including fiscal responsibility, as he is the CEO of the country and over it's various functions. That being said fiscal responsibility is in the Congress, that is where the budgets are hashed out and spending decisions made. Look at now, Biden has almost divorced himself from even offering an opinion on the Democrat budget battle that is going on. It's a fundamental flaw in the argument of those who only want to discuss budgets and deficits/surpluses based on who was President at the time, Presidents have the least influence on the budget especially if their party does not control both Houses of Congress.

 

The president influences all of that. At a time when government is exercising its inner authoritarianism, I'm surprised you didn't get what I meant by protecting freedom.

 

That's about all he can do, TRY to influence the budget.

The PRESIDENT protect our rights and freedom (and I assume you mean here not the world), please elaborate you mean like Eisenhower sending the troops to Little Rock? Things active or passive like vetoing legislation that curbs our freedoms?

 

I mean like the current authoritarianism surrounding management of covid 19.

 

Gotcha....yes in fact the current is infringing on those.

This just popped up on National Review and relates to our discussion

How Government Is Supposed to Work

Here is how this is supposed to work.
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How Government Is Supposed to Work
By KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON
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The west side of the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., August 5, 2021 (Brent Buterbaugh/National Review)
Predictability is precious, and all too hard to come by in today's Washington.
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There is a predictable — and, to some extent, intentional — pile-up happening in Washington, an ugly and loud collision of big spending proposals, a bill to raise the debt ceiling, and a bill to fund the regular operations of government and avoid a federal shutdown. There are many reasons for this mess, and one of the most important of them is that our dysfunctional Congress is incapable of following its own rules.

People’s eyes tend to glaze over when you start talking about congressional procedure and “regular order,” but, bear with me.

We have a way to improve the appropriations process, and that way is — this part should be obvious! — the appropriations process. But it has been a long time since Congress has stuck to its own spending procedures.

Here is how this is supposed to work.

MORE IN CONGRESS
Manchin: Reconciliation ‘Dead on Arrival’ If It Doesn’t Include Hyde Amendment
Manchin Hammers Home Opposition to $3.5 Trillion Reconciliation Bill: ‘Fiscal Insanity’
Malarkey, in Trillions
First, there is a “budget resolution.” This is a nonbinding policy statement that Congress adopts after a good bit of internal negotiation and some pro forma negotiation with the White House. The president does not actually have much to do with taxing or spending, which is why it always has been nonsensical to talk about the “Reagan deficit” or the “Clinton surplus.” We had Tip O’Neill deficits and, on paper, at least, a Newt Gingrich surplus. The point here is not a partisan one — the point is that budgetary power, and budgetary responsibility, lie with Congress.

 

I'm rooting for a failure in passing it.

 

‘DEAD AS AN ABORTED FETUS’: Manchin Crushes Dem Dreams of Taxpayer-Funded Abortion in Reconciliation Bill.

The Sensible Center Returns To Democrat Politics.​

Most Democrats love making American pay for killing other peoples' babies.
Americans hate that concept and it's long been blocked by the Hyde amendment. "Senator Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) is standing up for the rights of the people not to be forced to pay for murder."

And then vote for this truckload of garbage.

A con job?​

 

Wow.... these guys are seriously authoritarian that is for sure.

I just heard one of the most insightful statements on the Obama administration that I ever heard. While President Obama was in power Ms. Candace Owens feels that he had little real power but owed so many favours that his speeches were pretty much written for him by those who did him the favours.

That comment is after the fourteen minute in this video....






A VIRTUAL CONVERSATION WITH CANDACE OWENS - 11/16/2020

 

Jimmy Carter by a mile. Not that he was a bad guy, I love the stories of him meeting the Delta Force, testing the WH evacuation procedure, phoning the FBI over the hostage taker etc But anyone who thinks withdrawing US forces from Korea is a sensible plan should be locked up!

 

Good point.....
my number one choice was Barack Obama.....
but recently I heard evidence that "naive" is not even close to the correct word to use to describe President Obama. What he set in motion beginning November 9th 2016 is certainly not the work of an innocent political leader!


Actually... I suspect that President Obama is probably in the top five most influential people writing the Biden script....and pulling the Biden puppet strings.

 

Yes..... when it comes to President Jimmy Carter.... the word "naive" is actually something of a compliment..... even though there is a negative edge to it.

Biden...... cannot be termed "naive."


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-iq-around-156.497274/page-27#post-1073461574





Well said.......
Biden is clearly one of the least intelligent.....
least wise......
least gifted Presidents that the United States has ever had!

I can't even give him credit for being "naive" like was the case with President Jimmy Carter ......... because he is too selfish to be given even that possible excuse!!!

What kind of a father sends his son out to do the kind of work that Hunter has been doing for Sleepy Joe?????????!

 

21 say: Jimmy Carter.
I would also say so.

 

I choose Carter as well right after the current one.

 

~ Jimmy Carter is intelligent — but also very "nice". He trusts too much. Even today he is very forgiving on China.
I do believe he means well but he was not qualified to be president.

 

True.....
that really could have been at the core of the President Jimmy Carter excessive trust in others.

Even Biden may be "naive" in the sense that perhaps he is trusting Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau perhaps far, far, far, far too much??????

......
Dr. Leslyn Lewis would herself probably prefer that some of us, her supporters were less radical but.... . I am sure that she would get a good laugh out of this theory.....

...... " IS THE PLAN PERFECTLY ON TRACK?????????????

ON THE PLUS SIDE...... P. M. JUSTIN TRUDEAU MADE SO MANY ERRORS OVER THESE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT HE LOST BIDEN TENS OF MILLIONS OF VOTES.......WHICH COULD BE ARGUED PERHAPS..... FORCED BIDEN'S HANDLERS AND SUPPORTERS INTO TAKING DRASTIC ACTIONS......... WHICH OPEN ALL OF THEM UP TO INDICTMENTS SO.......... IN A WAY WITH HIS INNOCENCE AND LACK OF POLITICAL WISDOM......P. M. JUSTIN TRUDEAU ALMOST SEEMS LIKE HE IS OUT TO DERAIL BIDEN AND HIS TEAM......... (SORT OF)??????????


.... GOOGLE "IVANKA TRUMP / P. M. JUSTIN TRUDEAU TALKING" AND ASK YOURSELF........ WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD SHE HAVE TOLD HIM THAT WOULD SO TURN HIM AGAINST BIDEN AND BIDEN'S HANDLERS?????????


.......
I WOULD SO LOVE IT IF MR. MAXIME BERNIER AND THE PPC AND THE NEW BLUE COULD COOPERATE AT AN EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH LEVEL........ IN SPITE OF THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT PROVINCIAL LEVEL POLITICS IS SO DIFFERENT FROM FEDERAL LEVEL POLITICS......
I have a friendly challenge for M.P.P. Belinda Karahalios and her husband New Blue Party leader Mr. Jim KIarahalios........
It is my 2016 campaign writing. After teaching English in Quito, Ecuador in 2001 and 2002 I returned home to Nova Scotia determined to be more politically active.......so I actually made it my hobby to LOSE ELECTIONS! I have lost four political campaigns already and with a combined total of only forty one votes in all of my four official campaigns I believe that I can term myself to be ONE OF CANADA'S WORST POLITICIANS!!!!!


BUT THEN AGAIN..... AT LEAST I HAVE MADE IT A HABIT TO TRY MY BEST TO NOT VIOLATE THE NUREMBURG CODES AS CERTAIN OTHER CANADIAN POLITICAL LEADERS DON'T SEEM TO MIND DOING!!!!!!



..... Dennis Tate
September 19, 2016
I want this campaign to be win - win - win for all of us and on that note my opponent, Ms. D..... F......, has gotten several positive comments that she did a good job and worked very hard on Sherbrooke Village Old Fashioned Christmas events over these past several years.
One of the major reasons why I decided to campaign for the office of Municipal Councillor for St. Mary's District #1, Sherbrooke, was to attempt to find five or more volunteers willing to give their time to attempt to set up some sort of St. Mary's District Volunteerism Hour or Dollar, similar to Tamworth Hours or Calgary Dollars.
During the Great Depression, Irving Fischer Ph. D. visited the town of Worgl, Austria that had initiated a local currency as an experiment. Previous to this there had been mass unemployment and 4/5 local factories had closed down. In only six weeks unemployment in Worgl virtually disappeared.
"Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.
Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’" (Francis and Lia Ayley, whatcomwatch .org)
I believe that Sherbrooke has the talented and skilled personnel needed to organize a successful modern application of the Worgl Local Currency Experiment right here.
Thank you for considering this option.
Dennis Tate


"Are many of Joe Biden's troubles P. M. Justin Trudeau's fault? . "

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-trudeaus-fault.584062/page-2#post-1073475647

 

I agree with that but I consider not hurting business and the economy is an important protection for the nation and its people. Coolidge actually paid down a little of the debt. I am also an FDR baby. I can't think of single president in my lifetime that I would want to see in office again. Kennedy and Trump would be the best of the lot but I still wouldn't want a repeat.

 

I like your idea that Kennedy and Trump were the two best Presidents to serve during our lifetimes. I would add President Ronald Reagan to that list myself.


Actually... I am now thinking that Biden in his own way has President Jimmy Carter beaten for
being naive......
Whoever his handlers are......
they are setting up him and his son Hunter, to be the major fall guys when the brown smelly stuff hits the fan!

When his handlers told him that it was OK for him to do nearly no campaigning....... that he could "campaign: from his basement.....
these people were not taking good care of Sleepy Joe.... .they were making themselves
indispensable to him... so that they would earn more money from him.......

and get him into the place where he feels that he must read the script that they give him.

At the time that I began this poll I didn't think an even more NAIVE USA President would come along so quickly......

I really do think that the documentary "2000 Mules" has Biden's handlers really, really, really scared......
so now watch as they sell out Sleep Joe and Hunter Biden!!!!!


Do Biden's advisors and Trudeau's advisors seem to want to crash the markets?

Anger against Sleep Joe and his son is building and building and building.....
and those who made such huge promises to Biden and to his son..... were almost certainly lying and just setting themselves up for more money...... and many other benefits!

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Do Biden's advisors want to create an economic crisis?

1. 
   No
   2 vote(s)
   40.0%
2. *
   Yes
   3 vote(s)
   60.0%
3. 
   I certainly hope not????
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
4. 
   I hope so... because I know how to invest no matter which way this goes!
   0 vote(s)
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~ It's likely Biden himself that has the Democratic Party in panic mode . Nothing else necessary. However there is always Harris — who is even worse as she has no dementia as an excuse. '