Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as Moshiach ben Ephrayim?

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Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as their constitutional monarch?

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  3. Well...... he would probably do that too for one shekel per year and he will do a lot for them...

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  4. Yes... recovering from the economic aspects of COVID 19 makes doing this worthwhile...

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  5. No.... Rabbi Alon Anava would be better.....

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  6. No... there is somebody else!

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  7. other... please explain in a reply....

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    You do realize that Trump was one of those people, right?






    If you accept that God is omnipotent, the you realize He will not fail in His purpose, right? Ergo, there is no reason for the prisoners in the Vimeo link. There is no reason for God to allow a single one of His soldiers to die, be wounded or be captured. After all, He has no need to test them. He knows their faith.When the Second Coming occurs, all will go to Heaven. There will be no need for war, for there will be no one to fight against.

    It amazes me that there exists among Christianity the beliefs both that: A)God is omnipotent; and B) that Satan is smart.. Smart people do not fight the omnipotent and omniscient. The omnibenevolent does not permit them to gain that kind of power. Lucifer would never have been created, let alone be allowed to rebel. God makes no mistakes. Just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good. The End Of Days will happen when the world is inundated with light.

    As a further note to you, I must admit I did not watch the other links in this post. That one provided me with sufficient material for this one. I promise to look at the others over the next few days. I ask for your patience.
     
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    Actually....once Mr. Donald J. Trump got to know Jeffrey Epstein a little better HE BANNED HIM FROM HIS FLORIDA MARA LAGO RESORT.... (and perhaps from all Trump resorts worldwide)..... this was the final straw that convinced certain people that President Donald J. Trump WOULD NOT READ A SCRIPT FOR THEM like Bill Gates and Biden and Trudeau and Fauci and others are loyally and obsequiously doing for them!!!!!!!!
     
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    Trump was friends with Epstein and Maxwell for about 20 years. I'd say he should have known Epstein well enough to ban him long before he actually did. In the end it seems that only when Epstein's behavior threatened to tarnish the Trump brand's reputation was he banned.

    Sorry for this, but it's too easy and I can't help myself: The reason Trump 'WOULD NOT READ A SCRIPT . . .' is that he can't read.

    Do your own research on the guy. He's a traitor to his country, is financially and intellectually dishonest, cheats on his wife (whoever she may be at the time), is friends with high society perverts like Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein, inflames his followers to seditious insurrection, is racially prejudiced, irresponsible and, frankly, is not all that bright. Qanon and Taylor are wrong. We don't want him to be POTUS again. I would encourage Israel to elect him king, but I don't want to wish my problems on other people.
     
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    I do thank you for your comments that illustrate the totally different approach to this topic than I personally have arrived at so far.

    There is information and data on each of us that can be used to paint a totally different picture of what our motives really are.

    The people who threatened Mr. Ronald Reagan that they would do a WRAP UP SMEAR on him with their media that they owned.....
    were not making an idle threat........ If every less than wise statement that I have made on politicalforum were emphasized.... you could easily paint me as being very different than an objective and honest appraisal of my motives actually are.......

    Several extremely wealthy owners of BigMedia threatened Mr. Ronald Reagan that if he did not make G. H. W. Bush his V. P. candidate that they would so smear him that he would be unelectable....... President Ronald Reagan gave in to their pressure... because he knew that these people were not joking.....
     
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    To speed up the end-times?

    The Bible teaches the anti-christ will be honored in Israel, and later he betrays them. The Bible also teaches the antichrist is foul mouthed mocker and a liar, just like Trump.
     
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    That is an interesting take on how this could work out......
    but I personally believe that President Donald J. Trump is much more so in line with the understanding of Isaiah chapter forty five that was shown to a near death experiencer from Uganda who had at least one brush with death during a bout of malaria.


    Although things look terrible at this time....
    even Putin could repent and genuinely change his ways..... General Abner who brought the ten tribes to King David...... and the Apostle Paul who repented of compelling Messianic Jews to blaspheme...... certainly did repent of their sins.....



    https://thejerusalemconnection.us/b...sks-putin-trump-build-third-temple-jerusalem/


     
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    What interesting is that there are people actively trying to facilitate this (or believe that they can predict it). That's pure hubris, maybe even to the point of evil, IMO, (to think that they actually can, even recognize it) since the future per the Bible is already foretold.
     
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    Perhaps I am a naive idiot.. .but Ezekiel chapter forty seven sounds like a win - win - win - win - win - win scenario for Israel, the Palestinians, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria........ both literally as well as whatever is meant by this chapter on metaphorical levels......


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/47/1/s_849001



    On one important level it could be said that Christianity is in a terribly fallen or "desolate " state while we fight against the literal as well as metaphorical fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty seven???

    "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.| (Luke 13:35)

    Did Ezekiel come in the name of the LORD?

    Were, and are his words blessed and true????

    I believe that true Christians who are actually led by the Holy Spirit and true Muslims who really attempt to follow the God of Abraham would tend to not want to fight against Ezekiel the prophet. Of course there is an issue of timing.... and that is not such a simple question for us to answer.... but Ezekiel chapter forty seven is an amazingly positive prediction for the not so distant future.
     
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    My conclusions ar drawn after people watched his behavior for years noted consistencies in it. These are not a few gaffes in a lifetime of good works, they are the consistent behaviors of a narcissistic personality that includes other deep flaws.The fact that he fails to acknowledge when he is in error and in fact doubles down on his mistakes when caught out is further proof of his manifest unfitness for the presidency.

    You need a reputable source for your smear allegation. Also, as I recall, Bush I wasn't a bad POTUS. He got us in and out of the first Gulf War in a matter of weeks, though our deployment was far from swift, for example.
     
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    I have to admit that I also considered G. H. W. Bush to be a competent President.....
    and that he would have probably been a serious improvement over William Clinton.....
    but our Creator is working out a plan that is far, far, far, far above my level of understanding.....
    and President Ronald Reagan apparently knew things about him that in his opinion disqualified him from being either V. P. or President....
     
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    Do you believe that atheists born and residing in the USA should be considered citizens?

    Do you believe that there could be patriots who aren't Christians?
     
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    Yes.... Atheists and Skeptics can make excellent citizens..... and The Being of Light of near death experience fame seems to have a special ability to reveal really controversial truths to Atheists that He/ She is not free to reveal to religious people, (I assume due to their religious biases)??????



    Do Atheists Have Near-Death Experiences?


    An Analysis of the Near-Death Experiences of Atheists

    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 24, 2019

    Stalin, Mao and others on the other hand became so dogmatic in their Atheism that they turned Atheism into what sure looked like the State Religion and attempted to wipe out and purge all religious people.....
    which was not a very nice way for them to approach their beliefs, (or lack thereof)!


    Yes... there are many true Patriots who are NOT Christians!

    AboveAlpha was a writer on politicalforum who I felt would make an excellent President of the United States if he had been willing and permitted to begin his campaign. AboveAlpha was an Agnostic.

    Should AboveAlpha allow us to set him up for the office of POTUS as early as 2016?



    I was not the only reader of his messages here who felt that he had serious potential as a major league political leader, (if he had been allowed to begin a campaign).

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    Based on AA's posts would you advise him to consider becoming POTUS?
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      Yes.... he is obviously well informed on many important issues.
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    2. No.... he is too honest! He would not make it in Washington!
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    3. Yes..... but he had better join my favourite party!
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    4. He has already told us too much... his 14,000 posts will haunt him!
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    Here is one of the topics began by AboveAlpha that I resurrected partly due to it getting so much attention. This resurrection of this topic already has over eighty three thousand views.


    Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data. (Part 2)

     
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    Again, I ask for a source.

    Also, are you seriously trying to say that Reagan took a running mate that should have been disqualified? I don't think that's right. I don't recall anyone- not even Reagan's enemies- calling him less than patriotic. Taking a VP who shouldn't be a VP would not be the action of a patriot.
     
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    This is not true. Here's a link:
    https://digitalcommons.nl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=faculty_publications

    I don't think there is a major faith in the world today which has not had atrocities done in its name.

    I see no need to reiterate my view of AboveAlpha. In any case he's not the topic.

    EDIT: Fixed bad link
     
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    They could take him to valley of Ben Hinnom and sacrifice him to Molech.
     
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    Well, I've said many times that humans and at least some other animals have dreams that can seem quite real.

    The idea that dreams could occur in a near death situation seems impossible to doubt in cases where the brain is not actually dead. After all, it has the ability to dream and is being supplied with failing input and probably too little oxygen and nutrition.

    Dreams can certainly support personal religious beliefs.

    And, more importantly, assuming that dreams are factual is preposterous.
     
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    Actually..... I personally do believe that the visionary dreams given to Pastor Rick Joyner in "The Final Quest", The Call and The Torch and the Sword, could well have been partly him visiting higher invisible dimensions in a dream like state....

    so.... you are certainly free to think that my thinking this is preposterous.....
    but I see so much correlation between those three books and what I have read in parapsychology and NDE accounts that it is difficult for me to assume that these were mere dreams.


    https://vimeopro.com/vfndc/final-quest-the-call-the-harvest/video/414170858

    TEXTVIDEO THE FINAL QUEST BY RICK JOYNER
     
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    I'm not surprised.
     
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    Good point......
    the amount of correlation between various types of phenomena studied by researchers in parapsychology is impressive.

    The Dr. Ian Stevenson research, for example, is backed up by parts of many near death experience accounts.

    https://near-death.com/ian-stevenson/


    What Dr. Ian Stevenson discovered fits with what near death experiencer Mr. Christian Andreason reports.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

     
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    Brigham Young University In Jerusalem.......
    may be the perfect location to put forward the thesis that perhaps Israel should anoint President Donald J. Trump as their "Moshiach ben Ephraim / Messiah son of Joseph"........
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    ...... but a lot of people will be really, really, really, really angry if this is done!!!!!


    ...... Opening gambit......
    P -K 4 then P - K 4.... then PAWN TO KING BISHOP FOUR..........
    ......


    I have a friendly challenge in mind for all of the faculty and students at Brigham Young University in Jerusalem.......
    in your auditorium how about hosting a series of lectures by near death experiencers........
    that is a part of your Comparative Religion Outreach to all the nations of the world.......
    as well as to all of the residents of Jerusalem and all Israel........

    Your series of lectures should include near death experiencer Pastor Dean Braxton.......
    his message is striking a chord across ninety nine percent of the denominations of Christianity, (with the exception of a few denominations that are stuck on the Soul Sleep doctrine),

    I know that I know that Latter day Saint missionaries will love listening to him and I know that they will be able to ask him exceptionally insightful questions that I am positive
    that he will enjoy answering to the very best of his ability and recollections.......



    DEAN BRAXTON INTERVIEW (Full-length) with Dr Cecil Stewart OBE
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    You do understand that Jews are not Christians, right? There are people that will tell you Mormons aren't either. Why would Jews listen to a Christian preacher at a Mormon college, and how would that get them to accept a WASP con man as their messiah? Why would either the Mormons or Christians promote Trump as the Second Coming? The idea needs serious work.
     
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    Jewish apocalyptic literature predicts that a non- Jew will succeed in setting the stage for them to build the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex as well as the Temple of King Solomon.

    They are expecting a person similar to Gentile King Cyrus first.....
    and then later on Messiah son of David comes on the scene....

    Messiah ben Joseph

    From what I know of Latter day Saints I believe that many Israelis will look to them to act in an ambassadorial role for the nation of Israel and for the goal of building a temple or temples.

    The statements made by leading Jewish officials back in 2016 are extremely important to many Israelis.


    https://thejerusalemconnection.us/b...sks-putin-trump-build-third-temple-jerusalem/
    What President Trump accomplished by moving the U.S.A. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will not be forgotten by many Israelis.
     
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    The sanhedrin ceased to exist in Jerusalem about 70 A.D., after the rebellion. It was re-estabished at Jabneh, but ceased in 425 A.D. It's last binding resolution was in 358 A.D. Regardless. such a court would have no authority over Trump; he is not a Jew, nor does he claim to be the messiah.

    As to building the third temple, well I see no reason or need for us to do that. If the Jews want a religious building, they should build it for themselves. It would be illegal for Trump to use US gov't funds for this purpose. It is highly unlikely that he would spend his own money on such a project with no return on investment. Mr. Trump has a very bad record on charity. His Trump foundation was broken up after it was found to have diverted funds into Trump's campaign and personal pocket.
     
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    Actually.... yes.... the nation of Israel will build their own temple but......
    a Gentile political leader will set the stage for them to be able to do so in spite of
    considerable opposition from some of the neighbouring nations.......

    .....one reason to support the building of an Ezekiel chapter forty to forty six temple complex is because chapter forty seven of Ezekiel is win - win - win - win - win - win for Israel and all neighbouring nations.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/47/1/s_849001



    Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came downfrom under from the right side of the house, at the southside of the altar.

    Then brought he me out of the way of the gatenorthward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.

    And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

    Again he measured a thousand, and brought me throughthe waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

    Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a riverthat I could not pass over: for the waters were risen,waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

    And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

    Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the riverwere very many trees on the one side and on the other.

    Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and gointo the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

    And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth,which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish,because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the rivercometh.

    And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall standupon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

    But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

    And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leafshall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
     

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