14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Irrelevant to this thread.
Always SOOO easy to blame someone else.
The snowball fight carries on in orher threats. THIS subject needs réconciliation and à common vision of what your priorités are as a country. Not endless finger pointing which solves exactly nothing.
Do you like the fact that almost all other developed countries think you are hopelessly lost when it comes to guns? Completely round the bend? Bonkers?
How do you think they manage their criminals? Because criminals cannot merely walk into a store and buy killing machines, ammunition and body armour. Geesh, the minds boggles! How can you possibly defend that??

 

We have some of the toughest restrictions on Felons, what you neglect to understand is that there's a thriving black market. The underground black market is not only not regulated, but it's ran by primarily(you guessed it, CRIMINALS.) Less than 10% of firearms used are used from a legal purchase(like this one was.)

And this is the crux of the conservative issue: Not only would laws simply further restrict law abiding citizens, they would do little to NOTHING to the black market criminal organization. Gangs, drug warlords, etc. That's where the majority of gun violence occurs and gun acquisition.



Take out the black market drug mafia dons, and you take out a good 65% of violent criminals, but the syndicate is aware of the ongoing presence of law enforcement and always tries to outmanuever the law in a cat and mouse game. Any laws should help to aim law enforcement in the war against the black market.

 

Rubbish!!!!!

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

So...who is telling the truth?

You or those people who published that research??

 

Even your article is mixed. I can point to it saying that 80% of guns committed in mass school shootings are stolen from other family members. For the record, I'm not against a universal background check(though that will actually be encumbersome and take quite a bit of time, and I'm not meaning for the straw purchase. I mean for the time it takes for the background check to actually complete. That adds a strain on businesses(which might itself actually reduce sales altogether.)

But it could also have the effect of pushing certain individuals towards the black market, and hence that 77% ledger will actually decrease with time. There is no perfect solution to this issue.

 

Point is...I have proven to you that this:

.....is horseshit.

 

Fine, I got the stat wrong want a cookie?

 

Your problem is that I can both count AND read. To get your dishonest totals, you have simply counted cases, without noting that many of those murders since 1996 are non-gun related (stabbings, motor vehicles, etc).

 

Oh good grief….do any of you people actually READ….??

Most of those 37 DID NOT INVOLVE GUNS….!!

 

Not just a stat. You missed it large and you were using that bullshit stat to make a point. This Thread is riddled with similar incorrect rubbish. Fair dinkum. Why should anyone take any bloody notice of what you post when you get such a basic fact so dreadfully wrong and then try to brush it off so dismissively?

 

Because you're not my parent, so I don't owe you the kind of candor that I'd give a parent. I made a mistake and owed up to it, that's all you're going to get from me.

 

Increasing the churlishness decreases the credibility, but you do you...

 

Clearly I have no issue with gun shop going out of business. IMO they should be few ans far between and CLOSELY monitored.
Background checks are required everywhere including some jobs including teaching. There is no reason not to reorganise the process.
And if the gun carries à unique mark, lending them to others would be a far riskier business if the ownership is implicated in the crime as being négligent.
There are ways to better control the tsunami you already have. You just can't be bothered because someone will shout that you are limiting their freedom.

 

If it were so easy to use the black market, people wouldnt buy guns openly in à shop.
Black markets are for when there are few sources available. Who wants to get involved in faveurs and play-back in that would when you can openly buy à gun with no strings attached ?

 

So, you are quite happy to post rubbish as fact, as no one here is your parent. Sure you admitted your 'mistake' but unless I had pointed it out, people here reading you would walk away taking what you say as gospel...and then repeat the bloody rubbish.



"Houston, we have a problem."

 

No opinion on the fact that the cops were there almost immediately and did NOTHING for an hour while the killer slaughtered children? Nothing to say about that? Nothing to say about the cops violently stopping parents from rushing the building to save their children? Do you find it weird that the cops are all outside restraining parents while you can hear the gunshots inside the building? If this event proves anything it proves that the state is never going to save you from a mass murderer. They will stand around for an hour or so until the killer runs out of ammo. Your only hope is to have concealed carry.

These cops need to lose their jobs at the very least. Optimally, they need to be prosecuted and incarcerated. If you can't summon the balls to risk your life to save children, you don't need to be on the police force.



https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/l...nts-Uvalde-school-shooting-Texas-17200630.php

 

Are non-gun mass killings acceptable? That's ****ing sick, if it is.

 

Without guns there are no gun deaths. That's the point.

 

What 'conclusion' do you draw from this?
1 - that the guy was a nutter ?
2 - that the guy had an AR15, banned in most of the OECD nations so that nutters can't do mass shootings ?

 

How does profiling identify mental illness?

 

These cops need to lose their jobs, be black balled from law enforcement for life and, if possible, prosecuted.

 

I conclude that believing that banning guns will stop these kinds of attacks is naive and I'm being nice by calling it naive.

 

Whatever the punishment in Texas is for criminal negligence. The same thing happened in Florida, and the Sheriff is facing charges.

But this is Texas, so they'll probably call them "brave men and women in uniform" and give them a medal.

 

I could not hear any gun shots in that video

 

Bullshit. He could have used a blunt weapon, a knife, an explosive, or incendiary device. It's naive, if not stupid to think "no guns = no deaths".

 

Those mics couldn't pick up the sound of gun fire.