14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Why?

Did no one learn anything from Columbine?

Newsflash: The World is Full of Nutters.

There's a reason why, but that's irrelevant, because even if something was done now, right this second, the results would not be instantaneous. It would take 2-3 generations at least before the effects manifest themselves.

So, common sense dictates that you deal with the here and now.

Stalkers? Didn't exist until 3 decades ago. A lot of other things didn't exist, either.

This isn't 1950s America where you can leave the doors to your home unlocked and let your children go by themselves to the play ground to play with other kids and where your kids will be safe at school.

There are plenty of stalkers, pedophiles, and many others hell-bent on doing people harm.

You need to deal with that now. You can safely and cost-effectively secure a school without turning it into a prison or armed fortress.

Can you just stroll through the offices of an accounting firm? Law firm? Hospital? Any other office building just because you freaking feel like?

Not no, but hell no. Hell, even hospitals are more secure than schools.

No one should be roaming school property or through the halls unless they have a legitimate reason to be there.

It's been 20 years since Columbine and every single school has had plenty of money and plenty of time to secure both the grounds and the building to prevent intrusions.

Shame on the school boards for not taking appropriate action.

Shame on the teachers' unions for not going on strike to demand appropriate action be taken.

Shame on the parents for living in a fantasy world and falsely believing their kids are safe.

 

Wild Bill wrote "Mass killing doubled since the gun ban. There's no way to deny that."

We are talking about deaths. Try and keep up

 

You didn’t answer either question I asked.

I am just asking for a discussion in good faith. If that is too much to ask then please let me know so I can search for a poster that meets such criteria.

 

So you feel this is the responsibility of the teachers union that already operates on a shoestring budget but not the police department that has had annual increases and compromises almost 40% of the city’s budget?

That’s an interesting take.

As to “the world being full of nutters” — these issues are almost entirely compromised of men — stalkers, pedophiles, mass shooters, rapists, murderers — in your opinion what event has flipped the switch in men to turn them into such pariahs?

 

The fewer guns there are, the harder it is to get them, the less violence there is.

The US has one of the highest rates of homicide in the West.

The correlation between gun availability and violence has been established for decades.

 

If the presence of guns ensures greater security, why does the Secret Service refuse them near Trump?

 

Anyone that own a firearm should be that a good reason would be for self defense and self protection. Since when would it be a crime to act in self defense or the defense of others? We wouldn't want firearms to get into the wrong hands with the intention to kill innocent children and adults would we? No I just don't want to see this go on all the time and that's all I'm going to say for now.

 

Why do they have their own guns? Automatic weapons, even?

 

Your two questions:
1. "Have overall deaths by firearms decreased, even accounting for the increase in mass shootings?
2. Also, why does an alleged failure in one nation ignore the successes in dozens of others?"

Answer:

I pointed out that the stats in strict gun control nations are not reliable. Governments that disarm their own people should not be trusted.

“The prime minister and the Home Office have been criticised by the UK statistics watchdog for incorrectly claiming crime has fallen.
Speaking in the Commons on Monday, Boris Johnson said crime had come down by 14%.
It followed a Home Office press release last week that claimed the government "continues to cut crime".
"The authority was responding to a complaint by the Liberal Democrats, who accused Mr Johnson and Home Secretary Priti Patel of "fiddling the figures".

• Rape reports surge after Sarah Everard murder
• Crime drops by 8% during year of lockdowns
• The crimes least likely to be solved

The government has commented several times on the stats, released this week for England and Wales, which track crime for the year ending September 2021.

The figures for all crimes estimated by the Crime Survey of England and Wales in fact showed a 14% increase for the period, including a 47% rise in fraud and computer misuse as people moved their lives online during the lockdowns.”
BBC, Boris Johnson wrong to claim crime has fallen, says watchdog, By Tom Symonds, Home Affairs correspondent,, 3 February, 2022.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60250678

When the public is disarmed criminals no longer need guns to threaten, injure or kill them.

CBS NEWS, WORLD, ***London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever***, APRIL 3, 2018 / 10:36 AM / CBS/AFP.

 

According to the Wikipedia article, massacres doubled.

 

Why are those murders on the list, then? Are there 5wice the murders listed since the gun ban than in the 25 years before the gun ban? How many pre-ban murders are you going to say don't count?

 

The Secret Service carries guns when they are near Trump.

 

We are discussing the rates in Australia.

Do you have a source showing the numbers coming from Australia are inaccurate?

 

It’s not the solution they want and they are fine with these shootings until they get the solution they want.

 

Guns will always be easier for criminals to obtain where the public is disarmed.

"Chris, a stocky but affable thirty-something South

Londoner recently retired from a career in armed robbery,

comes bounding back from the bar with a cheeky grin on

his face. 'It'll be about 20 minutes,' he says. 'Less time than

it takes to deliver a pizza and plenty of time for another

drink. Same again?'

We are sitting behind a busy pool table in the dingy annexe of

a pub on the outskirts of Catford which, according to Chris, is

one of the easiest places in the capital to buy an illegal gun. ...


Few will be surprised that the number of illegal guns used on

the streets of London is currently at an all-time high, with at

least two shootings and four armed robberies every day since

the start of the year...."

THIS IS LONDON, By Danny Brown, 2/28/02. (emphasis mine)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynam...?in_review_id=509803&in_review_text_id=473066

How can guns ever become easier for criminals to buy 6 years after they are banned?
The same reason it is easier to get controlled drugs from the agents of the drug cartels than from licensed drug stores.

 

Because he's an a*******? Oh, and because the SS doesn't allow weapons around ANY president.

But since you only care about some small % of crimes, here's that link to the murder rate you don't care about.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

 

That didn’t answer the question.

Has overall gun violence decreased?
Have public mass murderers decreased (ie schools)

The answer is yes to both

Also, the NFA wasn’t a gun ban. It is misleading to classify it as such seeing the the average number of weapons has actually increased since the Aus NFA was signed.

 

Of course.

It's a police force.

Why the Secret Service refusing to allow armed civilians to be in the room with Trump?

The question is simple and none of you can answer it.

Are you afraid of the answer?

 

Murders increased. Are you only interested in stopping gun murders?

 

For security reasons...lol.

At the school in Uvalde, there was zero armed security on campus.

 

Asked and answered. Why pretend otherwise?
Scroll back to the first response. People do not guns where there is ample armed security.
Armed security is all over Trump events. Surely you know that?

 

Exactly right. School shootings are the best thing that ever happened to the anti-gun business. They lay awake at night hoping for another shooting so they can push their agenda.

 

Murders did not increase — They decreased.



Mass murders also decreased if you use the normal metric of being public events — it isn’t until you add in private events that the number of people killed by mass murder increased.

If you desire to just make up data and not have a discussion in good faith you can do that with someone else — I am uninterested

 

Why would anyone believe that the Australian government would be less likely to fudge the crime figures than the UK government?

“A leaked Victoria Police document shows that individual police officers have been trying to manipulate computer data to understate crime rates.
An internal email says "numerous" requests had been made to have entries on the LEAP crime database doctored.
The requests to the force's Central Data Entry Bureau to downgrade multiple so-called crime sub-incidents to single incidents were done to "bring down the crime statistics for their response zones".
The email, sent to about 60 data-entry staff on February 11, said requests to downgrade more than 25 sub-incidents to a single incident should be referred to a supervisor. It was marked "high" importance and signed by the bureau's team leader.
According to one source, requests to data entry staff to alter crime data in other ways were also "very frequent”.”
THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD, Police fudging crime statistics, December 13, 2004.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/police-fudging-crime-statistics-20041213-gdkayt.html

All Big Governments are inherently crooked, authoritarian, and bad.

 

So you want to use data prior to the NFA as valid but ignore it afterwards because “government bad”?

How absurd and a showcase of a very weak political agenda.