Uvalde shooting investigation focuses on police response

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  1. Fangbeer

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    By the same logic:

    The need for the cops is questionable.
    The need to train them is questionable.
    The need to have laws for cops to enforce is questionable.

    Why stop questioning there?

    The need to group kids into a school is questionable.
    The need to educate kids is questionable.
    The need to have kids is questionable.
    The need for this discussion is questionable.

    Of course, if we could think of a useful purpose of having kids, educating them, protecting them with laws, well trained cops to enforce those laws and an individual right of self defense maybe those questions would have good answers.

    Too bad some of us can't think of any.
     
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    I expect that an armed teacher at least has a chance of winning a gunfight than an unarmed teacher, even if they're not trained. I can't speak for Texas, but here in Florida, we require teachers to be trained to be allowed to carry at school, so they'd have even a better chance. But no matter what, no matter how well trained they are, no matter what kind of heat they may be packing, having a gun in a gunfight is never a guarantee of victory, for the good guy or the bad guy, but it does increase the chances for the good guy(s), especially if the bad guy isn't expecting it.

    As for the police and their budget, we don't know enough at this point to say if they need to be defunded or not. It may mean that some, most, or even all of the ones with badges who did nothing should be replaced, and it might show a funding deficit, but it's too soon to tell yet.

    But what's not too soon to tell is that your wet dream of eliminating civilian gun ownership in the US of A is not going to happen, no matter how many threads you start here, or elsewhere.

    You spend every reasonable waking hour on this forum desperately trying to change at least some folk's minds, which doesn't seem to be happening, and every single topic you start, which amounts to a substantial portion of ALL new threads started on the forum is (or seems like it is) about this single topic. Do you even have a job? I DON'T due to my disability, and I still have other things to do that doesn't allow me to spend near as much time here as you.
     
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    Maybe you can be lucky enough, (once the old guard is gone) to have the same officers who were afraid to enter the school for 45 minutes in Texas while the children were screaming for their lives. Or maybe you can have the new guard who refuse to go into riot zones while they burn your city to the ground.
    And if you're really lucky, you can have the same protections they love in California where thieves just walk out with merchandise without being arrested so you can pay twice as much for the same products.

    Best of luck with your new cowardly guard.
     
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    He does seem rather obsessed with other people's personal property.

    Oh please Big Daddy government strip me of my rights and take my personal property away!

    I don't even think they realize it but that's exactly how they sound
     
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    So you are saying that your plan only works in a developed country. Now we are getting somewhere. Do you think that there are parts of this country that have the attitude or culture of the non-developed countries? A tribal mentality if you will or simply the poverty that creates such a culture. South side of Chicago or Peabody-Darst-Webbe in St. Louis as examples. Do you believe that those places have a similar culture to Zürich? Would you more believe that crime in Las Vegas is more similar to Monterrey, Mexico?
     
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    Do you know if any of the recent shooters ever got a trophy or was spanked by their parents?
     
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    For decades, the toll of mass shootings has risen steadily.
    During the 1970s, mass shootings claimed an average of 5 lives per year.
    1990s it reached 21;
    Today, the average is 51 deaths per year.

    You Owe Me: Examining a Generation of Entitlement

    Once upon a time, in a land called America, people truly believed in a capitalist system. Citizens worked hard their entire lives to feed into their 401-K plans and expected that depending on how the economy went, they may profit from their work. They did not depend on the American government to take care of everything for them;

    Parents have instead instilled in their children the idea that “entitlement” should have a positive connotation, and that any public assistance programs should be favored and supported, and that “labor” is no longer a term to take pride in, but instead something to reject at all costs. Parents who in their youth happily took odd jobs to provide for their families, have raised children who would rather not work at all then take a job they do not believe is luxurious enough for them, and have no shame in sucking society’s economic pool dry. This never-ending cycle of blame evasion is perpetuating the trend. Youth refuses to identify the faults in its process, and those who are able to see that the actions of themselves and their fellow “Generation Y-ers,” only push the blame back onto their parents. While it may very well be true that their parents planted the seed, Generation Y’s inability to take any type of personal accountability and reform their behaviors is the disease that could ultimately cause this generation to implode America

    http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/362/you-owe-me-examining-a-generation-of-entitlement
     
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    Ah - so a more 'evolved' guard is a cowardly one? I have no idea what the future of policing will be - nor do you. But what we both know is that things change. And in order to survive, we must adapt. Protesting is going to continue. So we need a police force that can control but not inflame the situation.
     
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    Thats what they have shown thus far.
    When did we ever allow police departments to be burnt down
    When did we allow federal buildings to be destroyed
    When did we allow protestors to burn down a historical church in DC
    When did we allow a bunch of BLM protestors to take over the city of Seattle
    When did we allow a bunch of idiots to tear down monuments they decided they don't like
    When did we allow rioters to invade, control, and destroy American businesses in 576 riots
    When did we allow police to not confront a mass shooter while children are being murdered. Once in Florida and now in Texas
    When did we decide to defund police departments
    All in the last 2-3 years
    Welcome to your new guard

    And you are already making concessions for your new police force. Control but not inflame?
    How about shut down and arrest those guilty of crimes stopping protestors from destroying businesses, stopping protestors from blocking traffic.
    Again, welcome to your new guard
     
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    I limited mine to armed responses. but I agree with you
     
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    Also, in the 70s, kids could take guns to school. Our parking lot had lots of trucks with guns hanging in the rear window.
     
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    I believe of the two of us you are the extremist promoting adults assaulting children. Especially when at no point have you suggested the big person actually explains to the small person what it is they’re supposed to have done wrong.
    You seem to be promoting an assault on children for having the temerity for being born. If you feel the need to use your physical superiority to randomly beat the living bejaysus out of your children, maybe it is not a good idea to have those children.
    What you describe as smacking is for the benefit of the adult who has failed in proper parenting and chooses to show status by fear and violence.
    What is wrong with actually explaining rather than hitting?
     
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    Have any of the recent shooters got too many trophies?
     
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    It's the fear of getting spanked (not HIT) that kept me in line and kept my grades up. I'd like to think I turned into a pretty good adult, I'm freshly 53, a vet, have 0 arrests to my name, made a good living until I became disabled, I did choose poorly on my first marriage, but my second has been (and still is) amazing, and most people who meet me like me. I haven't done anything particularly memorable, so unless my whitepaper on our universe being a simulation of sorts (metaphorically speaking) becomes super popular, and becomes something of a fact after real quantum physicists review and agree with it, so in a century from now, I'll likely be nothing more than a record on ancestry dot com, but that's true of 99% of us.

    So, yeah... I have no problem with limited (and not overly forceful, however that can be defined) spanking of kids to keep them in line and focused on their future, instead of becoming one of the "society owes me something in exchange for nothing" sorts of folks like too many leftists today.

    It worked for me, even if I am now totally dependent on my wife to essentially be a wife, in charge of bringing home the bacon, and a mostly full-time nurse. But those are extraordinary circumstances that didn't exist until they did.
     
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    Obviously
     
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    I wish you well in dealing with your challenges. Your wife sounds like a special and resourceful person.

    I don’t think a child has to be assaulted in any way in order to become a person who aspires to end up putting more in than they’ve taken out. Nor do I think it is necessary to assault them to ‘keep them in line’. Have you contemplated the implication of what keeping somebody in line might mean? Is it possible to persuade and educate rather than to use fear as the driver? Even more ambiguous is the notion that a here and right now ‘spank’ is related to a focus on the future.
    In my experience young children are often more left wing in their personal interactions than adults. They understand sharing and turn taking for example as those notions can be the foundation for the fun of play.
    Children can be great collaborators, often allowing each other to play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses. Collaboration for the common good is a foundation stone of socialism.
    My earlier questions remain unanswered. Is it a good idea to signal to children that it is OK for big people to hit little people? What happens if the little person hits back, or fosters resentment and plans revenge?
    I think assaulting a child is the action of a lazy parent who lashes out for their own sake rather than the child’s. Then they spend an inordinate amount of energy justifying the assault.
    It might be a better idea not to have children at all rather than wallop then once they’re here.
     
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    How is it obvious?

    Did you see them with any trophies? You can't just say it is obvious without any evidence at all.
     
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    Yet their are laws against assaulting children. There is no law against spanking a child.
    Fail
    Another extreme post because you can't dispute what I posted. Now, all of a sudden, everyone just (Assaults) children every time they do something wrong without knowing they did wrong.
    Your imagination is your worst enemy and your exaggerations tell the story because you have no other ability to dispute what I posted.

    Another example of exaggerations for lack of ability to dispute what I posted

    Another example of exaggerations for lack of ability to dispute what I posted

    Another example of exaggerations for lack of ability to dispute what I posted

    So in 5 statements you have proven this conversation is way over your head. If your capacity for thought on the issue is only that of extreme exaggerations, then it is you that shouldn't have children for the rest of us to deal with and raise.
     
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    But you can?
    If you need to see them carrying trophies while they are killing other children for you to understand the concept of what I posted, you should find another thread to post in.
    As this one seems a bit out of your grasp.
     
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    In the mind of the murderer, the victims are trophies.
     
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    You are the one claiming that too many trophies are the cause. You have nothing to back that up though.
     
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    Is this the best you can do?
    You might be interested to know that physical assault by an adult on a child is against the law in several countries.
    As for exaggeration, your use of the word ‘smack’ is as misleading as you can get.
    Either way my fundamental questions to you remain unanswered. They are way over your head..
     
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    Exposing your exaggerations is the least I could do

    You might be interested to know I just stated that in my last post
    And you accuse others of a post being over their heads. lol

    It was YOU who introduced and used that term smack, not me.
    As a matter of fact, I even called you out on using the term, didn't I.

    And you accuse others of a post being over their heads. lol

    Obviously, You can't even remember what YOU posted. How could you possibly remember what I posted.

    And you accuse others of a post being over their heads. lol

    Yet I just exposed you again with your own post for your own lack of ability to read or know what you posted yourself.
    And you claim its way over others heads?
     
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    Really, just trophies huh.
    Thats all you got out of this post

    Every kid gets a trophy
    Never spank a child
    Remove corporal punishment in schools
    Teach 5 year olds trans and gay sexuality issues
    Introduce kindergarteners to Trans story time
    Defund the police
    Support 576 riots killing Americans and teach your kids to do the same thing
    Tear down every statue you don't like to defend your wokeism
    Get rid of the 2nd amendment
    Promote open borders and the drugs and gangbangers that provides


    You were saying something about trophies are the cause?
     

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