Two Fort Campbell soliders arrested

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  1. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two Fort Campbell soliders arrested (msn.com)

    The Clarksville Police Department said they had been investigating several vehicle burglaries off Tiny Town Rd and several more along Peachers Mill Rd. Video obtained by CPD revealed an individual entering one of the victims’ vehicles.


    Apparently these two had no ethics, or do we pay enough? Why can't they Steal. they can in Seattle and SF?
     
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    Hos, dope, and bling cost da Benjamins.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    We should be proud and happy that our 'brave' soldiers have been duly inoculated with toxic serums, and proudly wear their masks IAW Army Regulations.
     
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    In other words, they were already getting kicked out of the Army. These two were simply scum, the military does get them from time to time.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    New soldiers at a base get paid very little. But their personal life expenses are very low since their employer provides almost all the necessities.
     
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  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah new Soldiers get paid between 1695-2160 per month depending on the rank they show up with which is between 20,340-25,920 per year in base pay. And they literally don't have to pay for anything but personal stuff they want and likely a cell phone bill. All the real world bills are paid for by Uncle Sam such as rent, electric, water, food, etc and the barracks are located within easy walking distance to their workplace in most cases. And where it's not there is transportation provided for them.

    They have more disposable income than a lot of working middle class civilians and even some higher ranking Soldiers with bigger bills. They get paid fine, these two were just degenerate kids doing degenerate kid things. The Army has a few of those like every other community. Plus the Army is still the branch who will take damn near anybody who wants to join so it has a few more of these types of people than other branches tend to.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Will the Army take them back after they are done with their prison terms?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Hell they might. The Army has some crazy ass policies that wouldn't seem to fly anywhere in the real world or any other branch for that matter.

    A few weeks ago there was a Soldier who was on trial to determine his type of discharge for popping hot for cocaine. Honorable, dishonarable, or other than honorable. Somehow the guy not only didn't get discharged at all but beat all charges and ended up on the promotion list to E-6 lol....And I'm not joking. His 1SG and the Commander were all calling legal and retention trying to figure out what the hell to do with this guy because nobody had ever seen that happen before. Granted I'm happy for the guy, I personally think he's great at his job and while he isn't exactly an upstanding "Soldier" he's who I would call on when I needed **** done right the first time.

    But at the end of the day this is the Army...How the hell do you piss hot for raw cocaine and stand before a discharge panel and end up getting promoted instead of fired lol? The Army is weird like that...
     
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    Nope, hence their being "chaptered".

    In essence, they are getting kicked out. None of the articles say why or what their expected discharge qualification would be, but I would guess even before this it was probably for misconduct, and they were looking at a "General - Under Other than Honorable Conditions" at best. After this, it will likely be a Bad Conduct Discharge. As any time in civilian jail is considered to be AWOL.

    I have seen this many times myself. In one, a guy was sentenced to Prison in New Mexico for Armed Robbery. When he was finally released after about 4 years, he was sent back to the Army where he got a BCD.
     
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    Having done that job myself, I would guess there was some kind of irregularity in the paperwork. That is what most of the training to conduct a uranalysis covers, and why most of the training given to conduct a uranalysis test is going over the paperwork in detail.

    And that is not unlike any other legal case in the civilian world. A lot get off on that kind of technicality. Somebody forgets to sign off on the "chain of custody" for a piece of evidence, and if most of the case is based on that it is ultimately tossed out.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really? Even if they are unjustly jailed?
     
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    I was in the Army. Nightmare, you know that when you join up, the Army owns you pretty much. A soldier who tests positive for cocaine can be ordered to go to rehab and take regular blood/urine tests. I'm thinking he's going to have to stay clean, or else ... When I was in, they'd give you an Article 15 for marijuana possession, but you weren't necessarily discharged, and that was in the mid 70s.
     
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    Yeah I would have to guess that's what happened. But based on my experience it could also just be the Army wanted to keep the guy for whatever reason and turned a blind eye as I've seen that happen before as well.

    Back during the troop surge in 08-12 you weren't getting yourself kicked out of the Army on purpose, they were kicking you out if they wanted to. This is a true story, a friend of mine was an E-6 who was tired of the back to back deployments and wanted out but our unit was stop lossed so there was no getting out and we were deploying again in a few months. The guy does a few lines of cocaine, walks up to our Commander and says he did lines of cocaine, gets a urinalysis that confirms he did a few lines of cocaine, 3 months later he's sitting next to me in Afghanistan as an E-5 cussing up a storm....lol.

    Admittedly I am not JAG by any means and I understand very little about UCMJ or law in general. This is all purely anecdotal from what I've seen but I've seen stuff like that before and it makes me feel like the Army just picks and chooses when it wants to hammer you or when it wants to look the other way.
     
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    Yup, another really good friend of mine is currently going through exactly that in the Army for cocaine use. Drugs and alcohol abuse are pretty common in my professional unfortunately...our job is stressful. He's currently on his way to the rehab center on orders and asked if I would watch his dog while he was gone. He was under the assumption that he was done and getting chaptered out, we all thought so and he likely still might. AMAZING dude, even after the drug usage I'd still choose him over anybody else to stand next to me in a war zone and I'm not joking. All of us higher ups went to bat for him writing him character letters and everything including the Commander.

    He might still be getting chaptered but hell he might not. After the E-5 who managed to pop hot and get promoted to E-6 for the same thing he might somehow end up back in our ranks at this point. Which I honestly wouldn't be mad about in spite of what he did. At the end of the day yeah we are Soldiers and yeah we are of the rank where we get saluted and we can do things that are not only bad but considered "unbecoming"....But we also fight wars. I'll take my buddy who is the best at the actual job we do over the clean as a whistle other guy who is a great public "representative" of us.

    As I said in the trial of that aforementioned E-5 when the defense questioned me. I don't give a damn what the guy did, he's who I and everybody else calls on when we need **** done right the first time. I'm the one who has to rely to people like him to fix the machine I operate to make sure it doesn't kill me when I get in it, not you. So quite frankly I don't care what he does on his off time as long as he continues to be the best one at doing his job to make sure I don't die tomorrow".

    And this is why I will never make it to any of the "political" higher brass ranks lol.
     
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    Only if their case is dismissed or they are found not guilty is then removed.

    If they are convicted of any part, they get charged with AWOL.

    And ultimately, it does not matter as they were already being kicked out.
     
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    Today, it was very different.

    In the early 1980's, it was the "Three Strikes Rule". You had to test positive three times to get discharged.

    By the early 1990's, that had changed to a "Two Strikes Rule". Test positive a second time, and you were discharged.

    By the 2000's, it was a "One Strike Rule". Test positive even once, and you were kicked out. Like Hunter Biden, tested positive once and he was gone from the Navy.

    Today, unless you are a Staff NCO (E-6 and above, E-7 for the Navy) and that is likely the outcome. An Article 15 and out you go. But for a Staff NCO or Officer, that is normally handled in a Summary Court Martial. Same result, but with a bit more care taken in the processing of evidence.

    But the military never does blood tests, only urine.

    But to be technical here, "Marijuana Possession" is not the same as popping hot on a piss test, this is not Japan. If they are found in possession, that is likely a Special or Summary Court Martial right off the bat. That is a much more serious charge than just testing positive, as that means more than likely they brought it onto a military instillation.

    However, in this I know that the laws in Japan are very different. In their legal system, they consider testing positive as the same as possession of 1 ounce or less, under the concept that you had to have "hade it to use it". And about once or twice a year they will pull in a guy under SOFA that tested positive. I knew one guy that happened to. Spent 3 months in a Japanese jail (where I had to bring him his mail, newspapers, and two cases of MREs every week as they literally fed them only fish heads and rice), convicted in a 15 minute trial. Sentenced to I want to say 5 years at hard labor, and sentence suspended so long as the military got him on the first flight off of Japan and he never returned.

    I remember the last time I met him, and drove him to Kadena AFB. Where the first flight off the island was to South Korea. Who knows how long he spent there, as almost all flights from there stop in Japan before returning to the US. And he was already forbidden from returning to Japan. He probably spent about a week or two there before he finally caught a flight back to the US. Where he would have then had a Court Martial for being UA.

    Most times in Japan, the locals release the person to the US Military to take care of. But a few times a year they will hold them for local prosecution. That is mostly so that the military can point to everybody and say "This is why you don't do that ****". Not unlike that WNBA player stuck in Russia. I see a lot of people going "It was CBG, who cares?"

    But she is in Russia. In a lot of countries, CBG is treated as hashish. With all the penalties as if it was hashish. One thing I learned well while in the military, go above and beyond all you can to stay within the laws of the country you are visiting. After all, you are no longer in the US and not protected by the Constitution anymore.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now I'm taking this off topic, but you do realize people can be jailed without ever being "proved" guilty or not guilty?
     
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    Yes, I am aware of that.

    If they are found "not guilty", there is no penalty against them for being AWOL or UA. Unless they were already in that status when they were arrested (say they did a robbery while being AWOL)..

    However, they can still be held for other violations of the UCMJ.

    Case in point, a member of the military takes part in a "Proud Boys" or "ANTIFA" rally, and is arrested for vandalism or assault. That civil charge may be dismissed, not convicted, or overturned. However, the military can still try and convict them of being a member of a "subversive organization: completely separate from the initial charge.

    Trust me, after over 2 decades in uniform I am very familiar with how the UCMJ works.
     
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    In fact, it would not surprise me if these two were AWOL when they were arrested.

    As they were already being chaptered out, they might well have been "restricted to post". That is not uncommon, as they are already often doing punishment for whatever is getting them kicked out, or so they are available in case some paperwork needs to be done.

    In that case, this starts a formal clock for their AWOL status, and even if their time in jail does not count, the fact they were arrested off post does as it proves they were not where they should have been at the time of arrest..

    The UCMJ is a tricky thing, and many do not really understand how it all works. The most important part of this article to be honest was that they were already being "chaptered out". That means they were already members of the SWAT team, and largely worthless.
     
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