Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jazep

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    It is better to be a living criminal than a dead righteous man.
    Any Ukrainian and American will agree with this.
     
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    You are SO mean. Don't you know there is nothing fascists love more than their wunderwaffe. Remember how Russian posters & their gutter crawling friends used to regularly post about 'superduperhyperfast missiles' and such. Just like the Nazis they imitate these folks just love magical weapons that are going to smite their enemies with a single blow.

    It is really mean to point out that these things don't exist, especially at a time when their dream of genocide in Ukraine is fading. You have to leave them something to cling onto.
     
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    I am very aware of what happened in Moldova. With the help of Russian troops the 30% of the the population of Transdnistria that is ethnic Russian rules over the other 2/3 of the population of that illegal entity on the territory of another nation. If it wasn't for the skill of the Ukranian military & the stupidity of the peasant filth they are fighitng Putin would have marched in and forcibly incorporated it into Russia.

    Transdnistria is illegal & so are the Russian soldiers there. They were illegal when Russia lied about respecting borders in that 1997 agreement and they are illegal now.
     
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    Maybe you should read and learn. The mistake Gorbachev made was trusting a top US official and not get this statement in writing. This is from the National Security Archive dated February 9, 1990.
    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between
    Record of conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker in Moscow. (Excerpts)
    And the last point. NATO is the mechanism for securing the U.S. presence in Europe. If NATO is liquidated, there will be no such mechanism in Europe. We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction. We believe that consultations and discussions within the framework of the “two + four” mechanism should guarantee that Germany’s unification will not lead to NATO’s military organization spreading to the east.
     
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    And yet, 7 years later, Russia signed a document that states that Russia recognizes the right of any nation to join any defense block it wants. ;)
     
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    No one said otherwise. And the Sarmat missile, which is operational, is much faster and more destructive than any missile in the world. No sane person wants to see it hitting large cities. The only people who push in that direction are neocons. The root cause of all evil in the world.
     
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    You forgot Putin..

    We can't leave him out, now can we..
     
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    Kim Putler
     
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    Sarmat ICBM is just a delivery vehicle. In and of itself, it cannot cause any destruction. The payload is not any different from other ICBMs.
    The only advantage Sarmat offers is its speed. On the other hand, before launching the Sarmat, Russians need to fuel it with liquid propellant, which takes at least a half an hour - plenty of time to nuke it from the nearest sub. ;)
     
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    No you are not. You are neither from Moldavia, nor from any former Soviet Republics so you have no idea what was at that times there. You are talking complete nonsense about incorporating Transdnistria region into Russia. Ukranian UNA-UNSO was on Transdnistrian republic side (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_War). And again the same. The conflict in Transdnistria happened in 1991-1992. What has that to do with it the agreement with NATO from 1997? Are you lost in chronology or what?
     
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    Did you not read the article? 1 single nuke launched in our atmosphere would knock out all of our computer systems.

    1 Nuke in a large city like LA would kill millions and destroy the entire immediate infrastructure of support and help. Nuclear fallout which is toxic/fatal would travel beyond the blast radius for MILES

    Think of what happens during a hurricane and make that much worse since the devastation to the city is permanent due to radioactivity which would last for decades/centuries (think Chernobyl) There would be no more Los Angeles. And California would be in shambles trying to collect itself. It's not like you could rebuild LA after the fact either. It would be toxic and inhabitable.

    This isn't a video game bud. Nukes are serious end game, business.
     
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    It certainly is telling that Russia's allegations of such persecution and genocide are always, without exception, aimed at non-NATO countries that they are able and prepared to invade militarily in order to take strategically important chunks of land for themselves. You would think the Putinists would have figured this out by now.
     
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    If your tsar would stop invading other countries for no reason, then a great many people would not tragically lose their lives prematurely.

    And no, this nonsense about missiles is not why Vlad the Invader is an invader.
     
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    There are no wars without the reasons.
     
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    The bigger the government the more corrupt. Especially if dirty money is the measure.
     
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    What's your point? Was Hitler right?
     
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    Soviet lawyers helped write it.
     
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    No, I did not mean Hitler was right. You said that Putin started the war without a reason. That is not the case. There were reasons. Hitler also started the war having quite a number of reasons. My point is that everything has its own reason.
     
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    It was shorthand for no valid reason.
     
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    New video shows Ukraine destroy Russian rocket launcher with US-provided weapon


    :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Baker had no authority to commit the US to anything. And Baker was disavowed by President Bush immediately on his return.
    More broadly, Baker's initiative was intended by him to help prop up the Soviet Union. When the USSR dissolved, his idea became moot.
     
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    For Eastern Ukraine, it’s for all the marbles and everything that goes along with it. Ukraine is doing their best to hold out and doing a fine job of it but Russia could still be putting the pressure on and putting more on as time progresses. This is the time to act. This is the time to move forward and to do it now before it is too late.
     
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    Hitler's stated reason:

    "Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm]([​IMG]listen), 'living space') is a German concept which consists of policies and practices of settler colonialism which proliferated in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. First popularized around 1901,[2] Lebensraum became a geopolitical goal of Imperial Germany in World War I (1914–1918) originally, as the core element of the Septemberprogramm of territorial expansion.[3] The most extreme form of this ideology was supported by the Nazi Party (NSDAP) and Nazi Germany. Lebensraum was one of the leading motivations Nazi Germany had in initiating the Second World War and would continue this policy until the end of World War II.[4]" Wiki

    Ditto Putin.
     
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