Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

You are literally claiming that you know the answer to every T/F question in existence. You have claimed omnipotence. Look it up.

 

clearly you are talking about the emperor, Dr dodge, our fake logic teacher.
Just look at the previous page!




Everyone is still waiting for his citation that "I dont know" is a valid 3rd option response to a True/False question.

 

You've already said "I don't know" to T/F questions. There's a reason why you are hiding from something so obvious and can't address this fact.

 

@Kokomojojo Are there (as you have admitted in the past) T/F questions that you don't know the answer to? If yes, then your argument is bull ****. If no, then you are omnipotent. If you don't know . . . then you've admitted the "yes" part . . . so see "yes."

 

Is the statement “God exists” true or false? You may not answer anything but true or false.

 

@Kokomojojo , you liked the post, so where is your answer?

 

The statement "The number of stars in our galaxy is an odd number" is either true or false. Answer now. You are forbidden from answering anything other than true or false.

 

I choose 42

 

I was mocking the stupidity you posted!
Dr dodge, our fake logic teacher, still doubling down!

Just look at the previous page!




Everyone is still waiting for professor dodges citation that "I dont know" is a valid 3rd option response to a True/False proposition.

Never going to see a citation folks because it's not a legitimate response to a true false proposition and he knows he's been busted.

 

I haven't said you can answer a T/F question with "I don't know", I have said that any question to which "I don't know" is a potentially correct answer shouldn't be considered a T/F question.

Either way, I have established that there is a proposition about your psychological position, and I have shown that it is not true, and therefore must be false.

...if "Kokomojojo believes God exists" was true, you would know about it. That's not the case, so we can rule it out. Or do you think that it somehow might be true that you're actually a committed theist? (source)​

Being a theist is the only way for "Kokomojojo believes God exists" to be true. Unless you are actually a theist, it must therefore be false.

If "Kokomojojo is a theist" was true, then you'd know (and since that isn't the case, we can rule "true" out). Given that we can rule "true" out, it must be false.

Also, given that we have access to all the information above, the whole "Answer/I don't know" this seems to be beside the point.

 

No, you weren't. You claimed not to know the answer to T/F questions before you and I ever even exchanged words.

You've claimed for years, even before you met me, that you don't know the answer to some T/F questions. If you have changed your mind, then admit it . . . which means you aren't agnostic anymore.

So are you still agnostic, this invalidating everything in the post above, or are you now omniscient? Which is it?

 

Hahaha, still ducking and dodging, now even worse you have degenerated your argument into making **** up about me that isnt true again.
No brownie points for you Dr Dodge!

The fact that I am capable of having a condition of belief or disbelief has no bearing on the truth value for the proposition "God exits". This is why flew was rejected by stanford and tossed in the illogical bin.

You are confusing orange paint with the fruit orange again, they are not the same thing.

If "Kokomojojo is a atheist" was true, then you'd know (and since that isn't the case, we can rule "true" out). Given that we can rule "true" out, it must be false.

It is the point because you claimed it is a valid response to a T/F proposition.
You know this is incorrect yet you continue to pretend its acceptable.
Professor dodge posted a stupid sucker argument and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

He nor you will ever validate it because its absurd, and we really cant go very far without agreement on the logic rules, so post the rules that allow "I dont know" for a T/F proposition or man up and concede that its fake, just like our logic professor.

 

Saying "I don't know" us a response, but not an answer to the question. And I have no idea where the "options" wording is coming from....

 

he made it up!
hes been dodging posting a validation citation for the last 25 pages.

 

Everyone but you acknowledges that there are T/F questions we don't know the answer to. You've also acknowledged this. You are being dishonest.

 

Here you go folks, talk about dishonesty, any first year logic student knows that a question is not a proposition Professor Dodge.
I have acknowledged no such thing and never will, thats your nightmare.
Why do you insist on making **** up and accusing me of posting the stupid **** you posted?

This is your nightmare Dr Dodge, NOT Mine,

CITE and VALIDATE your claim "I dont know" is a valid response to a T/F proposition.

 

Well there you have it. Koko does not and never will acknowledge that there are T/F questions he doesn't know the answer to. He does think he knows everything? Yet he won't answer true or false Swensson's question... Because of course we all know he can't.

 

I'd agree. The definition for atheist is along the lines of "a person who does not believe God exists", so the actual truth value of "God exists" is irrelevant, it is the truth value of whether you have the condition of belief that determines whether you are an atheist.

Clearly, there is some disagreement on that point, the entire point of the argument is that apparently, it can happen and you wouldn't know. For instance, as we've mentioned, a rock can lack belief, but it does not know that it lacks belief. I don't suppose you'll agree to all that, but suffice it to say that this is just you re-stating your opinion, not something we can use as a basis for anything we'll agree upon.

Instead, let's go back to the thing that we actually do agree on and that are true, and see what comes of that:

• If "Kokomojojo is a theist", you would know, i.e. we can rule out this being true.
• Therefore, "Kokomojojo is a theist" must be false. (Principle of bivalence)
• Therefore, "Kokomojojo believes God exists" must be false since being a theist is the same as believing that God exists (if we ignore the possibility that Kokomojojo isn't a person)
• Therefore, the negation of "Kokomojojo believes God exists" must be true (again LEM).
• Therefore, "Kokomojojo does not believe God exists" must be true, since it is the negation of "Kokomojojo believes God exists".

We know that there are questions where the fact of the matter is not known, or not known to a particular person. To demand that someone answer true or false, when the truth value is unknown is unreasonable. By phrasing it as a response to a question, you've opened yourself up to various failures of people who respond to questions.

There exists a logic rule that says that propositions must be true or false, are you able to present a logic rule that says people answering questions aren't able or allowed to respond to questions as they see fit?

Sure we can, the entire argument that I have presented above deliberately avoids going into "answers" to "T/F questions", and instead focuses on propositions, where the rules (such as the LEM) are very clear. It is only your red herring that "cant go very far".

 

lets test your theory!

I do not disbelief that God exists, therefore !Atheist
I do not belief God exists, therefore !Theist

I do not have a condition of belief that aligns with either atheist or theist condition of belief.

 

All you have established is that koko is neither an atheist nor a theist. Koko does not hold belief conditions that align with either definition. See post 4119.

If koko is a color, and kokos color is not defined as blue, and kokos color is not defined as yellow, therefore kokos color does not align with the definition of blue, koko color does not align with the definition of yellow, kokos color is neither blue nor yellow, koko must be green since koko aligns with the definition of green, blue and yellow.

 

You've already admitted there are T/F questions that you don't know the answer to. You've admitted this. The dodge is yours.

 

please refrain from accusing me of the stupid **** you post, thanks in advance.

 

You have, indeed, acknowledged that there are T/F questions that you don't know the answer to. If you want to change your mind about these previous admissions and pretend that you are omniscient, feel free to indulge in such brain-dead endeavors.

 

please refrain from accusing me of the stupid **** you post, thanks in advance.

BTW Professor Dodge, logic teacher extraordinaire, several people have been waiting for the last 200 posts your qualifying citation validating "I dont know" is a legitimate response/answer to a T/F proposition.

You know you made it up why dont you man up and admit that you are ************ us with bogus logic?

 

"Several people" have not been waiting. Everyone but you knows that there are T/F questions you don't know the answer to. And even you have admitted you were wrong about that.