Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. vis

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    The price is too high. I am sure most of the people in the US and EU does not share his point of view.
     
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    In that case you won't be around to quote anyone.
     
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    Think about that comment when you're 100 years old in a nursing home
     
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    Maybe he is already 100 years old?
     
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    The problem is that by being a “better man” we are potentially condemning millions to death.
    A massive nuclear strike against Russian nuclear assets when Russia does not expect it is our best chance of reducing (potentially to nothing) russian ability to strike back.
    Sometimes hitting hard first is being a “better man”.
     
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    Well, let’s hope people wake up sooner than later. Even if Pootin gets kicked out of Ukraine, if he stays in the leadership role this won’t curb his imperialism - we saw USSR building empire even after it lost the winter war with Finland. Russia might learn its mistakes from that loss and be better prepared for the next conquest.
     
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    The rest of the world would have a pretty strong reaction to that and probably wouldn't appreciate or share your line of thinking on the matter, though.
     
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    No where can I find your claim. Maybe you can provide a link?
     
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    Ukrainian Special Forces Assault Russian Position Despite Having Russian Hind Helicopter Overhead


    What a hellish situation to be in, huh? It's really something to see a battle like this from a soldier's perspective.
     
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    During this time, you will be sitting in the American slave pit.
     
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    I understand that both have suffered casualties during this war and there will be more to come.
     
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    We should start preparing the world then.
    First step - officially recognize Russia as a fascist state. Always refer to it as “fascist Russia”. Officially recognize Rashism as a form of fascism.
    Second step - start feeling the Chinese. Would they be willing to stay neutral or help in exchange for Siberia, officially recognized as their sovereign territory? Chinese already offered to police the world together (but without Russia) at the beginning of the war in Ukraine. Maybe that’s exactly what Chinese want.
     
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    Indeed
     
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    It isn't just about being 'better' than Russia, there are very good practical reasons not to attack. The overwhelming one is that NATO nations aren't bound to support an attack. There are a bunch of reasons why having the whole of NATO on board is WAY better. Absent that any attack on Russia is going to be more difficult & less successful.

    Simple example - if Article 5 is invoked then Turkey will be committed. Even if Turkey does nothing, that not only stretches Russian forces further, it gives NATO navies access to the Black Sea & NATO aircraft access to Turkish airspace (and likely bases). There are plenty more similar examples.

    Additionally, a Russian attack will make it easier to either get support for further sanctions or at least make nations think twice about breaking them.
     
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    You must be understanding now that Russia is winning. How else to explain such desperation?

    Right now western media is preparing the informational front for acknowledgment of that reality. You'll get the memo soon enough. The West has had enough of that tar baby known as Ukraine.
     
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    This is a much better idea. Starting a worldwide nuclear war is not a good idea.
     
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    I don’t think Russia is winning. I see a lot of delusional Russians who are completely detached from reality. They lied themselves into the war with Ukraine. I can totally see them lying themselves into starting a hybrid war in one of the Baltic states, believing that Americans would not be willing to die for a small nation.
    In that same speech Pootin said that all countries should be able to defend their sovereignty by force and if they cannot then they can only exist as a colony of a stronger state.
    We are going to see Russians starting trouble in the Baltics whether we like it or not. I only offer a solution that would minimize the losses in our side.
     
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    What if they decide to start it?
    Russia is not shy to Sabre rattle now. Their propaganda airs nuclear threats by their political talking heads daily. They dress their 3 year olds into military uniforms. They are raising an extremely militaristic society where their nukes are treated as a blank check to do anything they want. How can people not see where this is going?
     
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    Sorry, but none of this justifies starting a nuclear war.

    If Russia starts one or is very clearly about to start one (like today) then NATO and/or the US should respond appropriately. Unless & until that point there is no justification. Any major nuclear exchange would be devastating for our civilization, whatever you might think. Unless there is literally no choice it would be madness to have one.

    If Russia wants to get itself destroyed by initiating a nuclear war then that is what they get, but there is no need for the West to start such a war. Don't put yourself in the same category as some of the fascists here who dream about wiping out whole cities or countries just because they don't like the people there.
     
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    :bored::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    I get the impression that today's Republicans would indeed not be willing to defend our NATO partners if Russia did attack them. They've become the party of isolationism, among many other things.
     
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    Solid logic, esp vis-a-vis Türkiye.
     
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    I get the impression that they are cowards and have sold their Q-souls to the highest bidder.
     
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    Ukraine War - Despite All Russian Warnings • UK Decides To Gift M270 MLRS To Ukraine


    :thumbsup: I'm looking forward to videos of these babies and the American HIMARS in action once they're in the field.
     
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    Ukraine War - Ukrainian Foreign Legion Fighters RGW-90 Ambush On Russian BTR | Helmet Cam


    Video from a group of English speaking Ukrainian Foreign Legion fighters operating with the Ukrainian Kranken Group shows the men conducting an ambush on a Russian BTR north of Charkiv.

    The video was filmed with a helmet cam attached to one of the fighters and also with a drone filming the scene from above.

    The men are seen sneaking on to the BTR through nearby woods before engaging the vehicle with anti-tank weapons from a relatively short distance.

    After the ambush the men assumed the vehicle was still active and decided to pull back to avoid further contact.

    The drone video however shows the vehicle pulling back in to the woods aswell for the same reason.

    Another scene of the footage shows it being destroyed then afterwards.​

    :applause:
     
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