Grubhub, Doordash, Home Delivered Meals Etc

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    My point with carbs was that sugar is a refined carbohydrate. When people don’t know sugar is a carbohydrate it’s very difficult to make correct dietary decisions.

    From the 1970’s to the 1990’s in the US fat consumption as percentage of calories consumed dropped 11%. Over that time period the overweight percentage went up 31%. Total caloric intake dropped 4%. Exercise is correlated with being overweight whereas fat consumption as diet percentage is inversely correlated.

    Exercise is definitely the key.

    I believe the correlation between protein consumption and weight gain is just that—correlation. Societies that can afford animal protein do not get the exercise less prosperous folks do. The weight gain is not from consumption of protein, it’s from lack of exercise a more prosperous lifestyle affords.

    I agree laziness is the main driver. But I’m quite certain many Americans make decisions more on hype about “gluten free”, “low carb”, and “all natural” than any understanding of nutritional basics. If the frozen dinner is gluten free or all natural but full of added sugars they are going to believe it’s healthy. :)
     
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    There's the possibility it's merely a correlation, but the evidence does suggest otherwise. Take Pacific Islanders as an example group. Obesity is common, and they eat a diet very high in animal protein/fats. Pork, chicken, or seafood with every meal. Back when they were exercising to get that meat, they weren't as big, but they were still big by comparison to societies on low protein/low fat diets (Asians, South Americans, Africans etc). Innuit also, retained a layer of body fat even when they were doing loads of exercise. It's just what happens to the human body when we eat animal fat/protein. The skinniest humans are those on high carb diets who do loads of exercise, because carbs are burned off so quickly. Animal protein is much harder to burn off. It also has the added risk of interferring with metabolic process as a result. It's only kept in balance with very high levels of exercise, and then only marginally. We're just not designed for it. We're more like scavenger ominvores. Eat plants most of the time, with the ocassional bit of meat, a small fish, or an egg, when available. That's basically how we've lived for thousands and thousands of years .. with only those rare groups like the Innuit and Pacific Islanders developing the unusual protein based diet. They're suffering for it now too, unfortunately. The loss of their daily hard-grind level exercise means they tend to die young from preventable 'lifestyle' diseases.
     
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    Yes, I'm too lazy to do all the shopping, and I've tried the delivery thing from the grocery store, and they always screwed up my order and/or picked out a bunch of crap produce to put in my order.

    The kits cut down on the prep work, the food is delicious, and there's a good variety to choose from so it doesn't get repetitive. The food is healthy and easy and quick to cook, and the amount of food is set, so it helps with portion control, so I'm not overeating, and there's very little wastage.

    Yes, I'm well aware that I can go through the hassle of gathering up all the food crap myself and turning it into a meal sorta like the one UPS drops off on my porch in a neat and streamlined kit package, but why should I bother?

    I know I can also go out in the scorching heat and push a lawnmower around my yard, but why would I do that when I can just throw a couple of bucks at someone else who'll do it for me?
     
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    I wonder if nutritionists consider the instant gratification that comes from eating foods high in sugar. When you are hungry a honey bun is much more gratifying than a carrot. The high sugar content also gives you a "kick" after consumption. My wife and I are type 2 diabetics. The only sugar we have is for the hummingbirds.
     
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    I Only used it one time, but as you mention, the fees, tips etc can more than double the price. Grubhub needs to cover their expenses and make a profit too, and the money comes from your pockets. Never again.
     
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    The obesity problem with Pacific Islanders is a result of diet changes to more western diet. Their diet changed from local fare (fish, meat, tubers, veggies) to a diet high in processed foods. Spam is a common “meat” consumed there now. Spam contains added sugar and starch bringing the protein to carb ratio to about 2:1. Meat has a protein to carb ratio of 1:0. Foods like cottage cheese have a protein to carb ratio of about 4:1. The added sugar in “meats” like Spam lead to overconsumption you don’t see with the satiating protein to carb ratios of real meat. Here is a link with more information on how diet changed in the South Pacific and why.

    https://www.publichealthpost.org/research/aapi-nutrition/

    Inuit fat deposition is a function of natural selection acting on body type most resilient to extreme cold. Genes have also been selected through natural selection that allow Inuit to do well on their historical diet. Inuit that take up western diets also gain weight and develop diabetes etc.

    At the end of the day, natural selection in people groups has allowed different groups to be healthy on various traditional diets. The obesity and disease we see almost always develops with a diet and activity level change. Traditional diets of meat, tubers, grains etc. are not the problem. The problem is taking any people group and changing their traditional diet to include starches, sugars, and fat types (vegetable derived vs animal derived) the group did not evolve eating.
     
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    It's all good. You're honest about it, and can afford it.

    I have a neighbour who spends her life watching tv, and claims she needs meal kits because she doesn't have time to cook. We're talking about a 50 year old woman with literally NOTHING going on her life. She works part-time, then watches tv. She actually can't afford it, but does it anyway.
     
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    What changed most for Islanders, was the loss of exercise. Even those who eat the same diet (minus spam) are now obese, purely because of that change in activity. I'm very sceptical of any studies on sugar. There are cultures where sugars are a huge part of the diet, and obesity is not present. The key (in all iterations of humans) is exercise, where diet is unchanged. When you have diets changing from high carb/low protein - as was for most humans for the majority of our history, and still is in some places - to high protein/high fat, and stop exercising, you end up with the extreme obesity now common throughout the Western World. Almost all human groups have consumed small amounts of animal protein, simply because it was much harder to get than plant foods. We went from a small bite or two every other day, to daily consumption of huge quantities of meat and dairy. That's the dietary disaster which befell us .. it was never the carbs. We've always lived on carbs without issue.
     
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    Tips? Seriously?
     
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    Yes. Tips. And then there is delivery charge and minimum order amount. The restaurant also pays them 10% fee, and I think they just add it to your bill as a service fee. My order was more than double after all the fees and tips.
     
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    I always tip ten bucks. And yes, that is about right: For a small order, the price delivered is typically double. But not so for more expensive meals. I can now order from many of the best restaurants in the city where meals start at $200. The finally adder is usually $50 to $60
     
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    ...or at least nowhere near double. But yeah, buy a $25 meal and you'll be out $50.
     
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    I get the additional charges, that's standard everywhere. I've just never heard of anyone tipping here. We're not a tipping culture, so it evidently extends to delivered food.
     
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    And now the biggest up side. I'm injured and enjoying a reprieve from pain on oxy [woohoo! :)]. But I'm pretty much home bound for the moment. And I just ordered shrimp alfredo at 11 PM.
     
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    Oxy is the devil! Be very careful, HWGA.
     
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    I can't tolerate it for long. Back before they clamped down I dislocated my shoulder. The doctor gave me a big bottle of oxycodone. At first it was fun and really worked. I had been in agony but an hour after taking oxy I felt no pain and I was a very happy guy! But after a few days it tore up my stomach. I ended up throwing away about half the bottle.

    I really needed it this time too. I've been in pain and constantly increasingly so since last February. A hopefully permanent fix is coming but I had to get some pain relief. I couldn't take it any more!
     
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    Well I have found another grubhub scam. I have reported three dinners that did not have everything ordered. I was charged but didn't receive the items. I filed a claim on grubhub which in each case showed a refund that I would receive. But of course it is going to take some ridiculous amount of time. Well I went back and checked the last three months and I haven't received any refunds.

    I have made a point to call the restaurant and complain to the managers but nothing changed. I was still shorted. I am thinking the restaurants know they can get away with it because grubhub never enforces the refunds.

    The next time it happens I am going to raise hell with the manager. I guess the most logical course of action is to complain to restaurant and stop doing business with them. But I want to know why I was promised refunds I never received. I think this is intentional. I strongly suspect it is blatant fraud.
     
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    Oh yes, but when you file for a refund, it isn't tracked. So you have to log it and make a point to follow up. Because when you call asking where your refund is, they have no record of it unless you can give them a date and the restaurant. Then they promise to make sure it gets issued. But I don't think any of them ever did. In all I have probably made around 8 - 10 reports.
     
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    Did the delivery person who handed over the food look full?
     
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    Haha, yes, you allways wonder about that. Who is really at fault? But some places put everything in a big sealed bag. This actually started because of Covid. You have to rip the bag to open it. So in those cases it is clearly the restaurant. I know one time I didn't get my drink but the driver confessed it was all over the floor of his car. LOL!

    What really ticks me off is when they leave out things like tartar sauce when you order fish. I put DOUBLE EXTRA TARTAR SAUCE, I WILL PAY EXTRA. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS!

    And I still don't get tartar sauce.
     
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    Well they did it again. I had an early date this afternoon and evening and we ordered grubhub. Once again I received a sealed bag that was missing my main dinner item. But now when I filed a complaint with grubhub, I received a copy of the refund notice by email. In the past there was no tracking at all. So maybe they are trying to clean this up.

    No doubt the restaurant screwed this one up. It wasn't grubhub. And this time I took a screenshot of the refund page so I can track it.
     
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    Get the permanent fix asap.
     
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    I didn't ask for more so it only lasted 7 days. I have a procedure scheduled this week. The non-narcotic stuff is working well enough as long as I don't move. LOL!
     
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    Except for passing out from the pain it went pretty well LOL!
     
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    Grubhub seems to have their act together now. They used to credit things back to your account much later. And I never did get some of my refunds. But now as long as you report it reasonably soon, perhaps up to a few hours or more, the total gets adjusted in the original charge and never makes it to my credit card.

    The restaurants are apparently either pulling scams and shorting people to see how much they can get away with, or they can't even fill an order correctly. But Grubhub seems to be doing okay! But you have to be diligent. Check your orders and be sure to file for a refund from grubhub as soon as you're done eating.
     
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