Antarctica’s riskiest glacier is under assault from below and losing its grip, threatening to raise

The discovery of geothermal heating does not refute the effects noted in the article posted by Moi. The undermining of glaciers by sea water is a measured fact. Temperature measurements of sea water involved is also a measured fact. The reduction in the height of glacial ice is also a measured fact.

You have no defense for your comments on the relationship of geothermal heating to climate change.

Also, I'd point out issues with your cite:
- it represents geothermal heating of the Thwaites glacier as a "third influence". In no way does it dispute the issues of warmer sea water undermining or changes in the surface.

It includes statements such as:

"Based on their data, the geophysicists are unable to put a figure on the extent to which the rising geothermal heat warms the bottom of the glacier."

Also, it does not explain how geothermal heating could have CHANGED the rate of glacial movement. Thwaites glacier has been recorded as being substantially static over many years of study as noted in the Moi article. If there has been a change, what drove that change?

I'd point out that your cite is a story (which is noted to include the rights to have been edited) based on an actual study which includes clear notice that there needs to be more study. It would be much better to cite the study.

NOAA and other science is well aware of this issue. NOAA has articles on the geothermal heat flux system in the Antarctic region, including with the possibility of affect on glaciation. Perhaps as importantly, there is significant interest in this heat flux affecting ocean circulation, which could possibly have world wide impact.

 

Acquire some future Antarctic farmland?

 

Again, your article pitches the possibility of geothermal affects as a possible THIRD contributing factor in glacier behavior.

Your attempt to write off science as corrupted absolutely DOES require a conspiracy.

Your theory would require the world of science to accept purposefully false conclusions.

It would also require collusion, as simply being false would not be nearly good enough. The lies would have to align to some reasonable degree.

And, the issues of geothermal affects in the Antarctic region doesn't affect current models of climate change.

It's a cheap and stupid argument to simply say that science is corrupt whenever results don't agree with your personal assumptions.

 

I explained why that absolutely is a conspiracy theory.

As for your geothermal comment here, I'm going by what YOUR cited scientists stated.

And, no, that absolutely does not undermine what is known about CO2 impact on climate.

 

The image is of the ice shelf.

You are aware that all of that can melt away to nothing, and the ocean will not rise a single millimeter, right?

This is why I laughed at the article, and commented it was opinion.

The point others have made is that the acceleration of ice movement appears to be because of geothermal, not heat in any way. The average temperature on that continent is still -40. So unless somehow the properties of ice changed so it starts rapidly melting at a temperature significantly lower than 32f/0c, there is no way it can be attributed to "global warming".

There must be something else entirely at play here.

 

Well no kidding, of course they do not. They are NOAA, not the USGS.



What, are you also upset maybe that they did not discuss anything about COVID?

 

I actually would love to see them try and refute that.

Especially to explain how the ice cap is melting faster, at -40 due to "global warming".

 

Then tell me, what is it about CO2 that allows ice to melt at -40?

Funny, I can't ever remember hearing about that in the past. Please enlighten us to this magical property of a gas that significantly lowers the melting point of dihydrogen monoxide.

 

NOAA is very interested in geothermal and other causes of glacial destruction.

Suggesting they would ignore geothermal heating is just plain ignorance.

 

You are wrong about the temperature profile of the region as I cited to you in the past.

 

Prove it. Please list us the scientific papers that NOAA has released that discuss geothermal activity.

*sits back and listens to the crickets*

 

Oh dear god, really?



Oh, and this by the way was a "balmy day" at the South Pole. It was only -24c.

I do not give a fig how you try to twist things, it does not freaking matter. The ice shelfs do not matter, they will not raise the ocean levels a single millimeter. They have operated like that for tend of thousand of years.

But once again, I see clearly that you avoid answering a single thing scientifically, and just scream the same things over and over again ad nauseum.

Has the temperature of Antarctica increased?

Unless it has not risen to over 32f/0c on average over most of the continent, then obviously "global warming" does not have a freaking thing to do with anything that is goin on down there in relation to glacial movement or glacial melting. It absolutely has to be something else, as the temperatures are still well below 0.

You still fail, in other words.

 

I posted data on regions of Antarctica where the temperature is well above your claims for significant portions of the year.

And, I pointed out to you why average temperature for the continent is NOT the issue.

 

And that is meaningless.

Do you even know where the glaciers form, and what starts them to move in the first place?

Here is a big freaking clue, it is not at the edges of the Continent. Hell, we know the edges have had significantly long periods of time with no ice at all because penguins evolved to thrive there!

The glaciers move because of snowfall and ice accumulation deep inside the continent. You know, where it is always at a subzero temperature.

The snowfall there has not changed significantly in tens of thousands of years or more.

The temperature there has not changed significantly in tens of thousands of years.

Ergo, there must be something else causing the ice to move. As warming at the terminus of a glacier does not affect the movement, only a significant change at the formation, or somewhere along the route can do such a thing.

As I said, science. It's amazing what you realize when you actually understand it.

But please, now feel free to ignore along with everything else that you do not like some research paper that explains how the terminus of an Antarctic glacier can make the entire massive ice sheet move faster.

Oh, who am I kidding? I know you will never do such, research of any kind is not your thing. You just shout your beliefs like a religious fanatic, and demand we all accept your belief or burn.

 

So, you actually don't believe what scientists are saying about Antarctic glaciation.

But, you don't have even ONE cite to support your disagreement.

And, you don't even bother to address what has been posted from scientists above.

THEN you think your ad hom approach should be convincing of something beneficial to you!!


Seriously, what are you expecting here???

 

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