Al Jazeera reporter killed during Israeli raid in West Bank

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  1. notme

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    I already have sourced/proven the following:

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/instrument...relative-protection-civilian-persons-time-war
    This provision shall in no way constitute an obstacle to the repatriation of protected persons, or to their return to their country of residence after the cessation of hostilities.

    Also:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194
    refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible


    These are not Palestinian text, but international law that Israel is breaching.
    Your zionistic propaganda can't debunk this. We all know it.
     
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    To say that it was an "American-led embargo on arms exports to Israel" is being disingenuous since the US ensured that Israel received arms through US allies. It was still US funded aid to Israel only through 3rd parties.

    From November of 1947 to May of 1948, the US officially curtailed arms too ALL Middle Eastern countries at war with the goal of minimizing the casualties.

    It was the first, last and only time the US ever had anything close to an even handed Middle East policy.
     
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    This is whataboutism. Jews have been in the Middle East since Jews existed. The Babylonian captivity left Jews in Iraq for 2,600 years.
    Jews played a part in the Abbasid and Ottoman empires - as artisans, bankers and commerce. They were loyal to their nations and few cared for Zionists with their Eurocentric, Socialist and rural labor ethics.
    Nationalism in Iraq, Zionism in Palestine and the influence of the Nazi Party led to growing persecution of Iraqi Jews. First pogrom 1941, 2,500 casualties.

    Wikipedia.

    In 1948, the year of Israel's independence, there were about 150,000 Jews in Iraq.[51] Persecution of Jews greatly increased that year:

    • In July 1948, the government passed a law making Zionism a capital offense, with a minimum sentence of seven years imprisonment. Any Jew could be convicted of Zionism based only on the sworn testimony of two Muslim witnesses, with virtually no avenue of appeal available.
    • On August 28, 1948, Jews were forbidden to engage in banking or foreign currency transactions.
    • In September 1948, Jews were dismissed from the railways, the post office, the telegraph department, and the Finance Ministry on the ground that they were suspected of "sabotage and treason".
    • On October 8, 1948, the issuance of export and import licenses to Jewish merchants was forbidden.
    • On October 19, 1948, the discharge of all Jewish officials and workers from all governmental departments was ordered.
    • In October, the Egyptian paper El-Ahram estimated that as a result of arrests, trials, and sequestration of property, the Iraqi treasury collected some 20 million dinars or the equivalent of 80 million U.S. dollars.
    • On December 2, 1948, the Iraq government suggested to oil companies operating in Iraq that no Jewish employees be accepted.[52]
    "With very few exceptions, only Jews wore watches. On spotting one that looked expensive, a policeman had approached the owner as if to ask the hour. Once assured the man was Jewish, he relieved him of the timepiece and took him into custody. The watch, he told the judge, contained tiny wireless; he'd caught the Jew, he claimed, sending military secrets to the Zionists in Palestine. Without examining the "evidence" or asking any questions, the judge pronounced his sentence. The "traitor" went to prison, the watch to the policeman as a reward."[53][54]
     
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    So... Ukraine fired 4,600 rockets into Russia, goading Russia to invade?
    Ukrainians hid behind their children and filmed Russians killing children - for the sake of CNN, Reddit, Tiktok, UNESCO and Al Jazera ?

    ps you didn't answer the question - what to do with Sinwar if you are the Israeli government? You hit the conundrum the Israelis hit.
    Can you answer it? And no, sending in a Constable to arrest the leader of Gaza won't work.
     
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    Yes, the colonization of land is a war crime.
    The Arabs colonized northern Africa, half of Europe, the whole Middle East AND Palestine in the 7th century. This was a war crime. Many Jewish people were dispossessed.
    And the Roman war against Israel was a war crime. Many children died. The indigenous people were exiled into the whole world. They were driven out of over one hundred countries in 1800 years.
    I am glad at least one indigenous group has taken back their land, restored their forgotten language, rebuilt the ruined landscape and fly the Star of David in remembrance of King David and Jerusalem - Israel's capital.
     
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    So have the Palestinians .. What about it .. speaking of whataboutism ?!

    What does this have to do with Israel killing Journalists cause they don't like the dirty deeds reported .. Indiscriminate slaughter of children .. stealing land .. violating international law .. attacking other nations in the region .. targeting civilians ..

    This rogue nation needs a to be put on a leash don't ya think ?
     
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    You are not disputing that Iraqi Jews were banned from leaving from Iraq, or that Algerian Jews were actually French citizens.
    So I can only judge that you admit that this was going on and that they weren't ethnically cleansed.

    Your last post moved the goalpost tremendously from pretending Jews got ethnically cleansed, to now claiming they were treated 2nd class.
    Well I can tell you this: how Jews were treated in Iraq in 1948 doesn't come close to how black people were treated in the US in 1948, by white people including the Jew.
    I can't say there is a lot of broad sympathy from the average american white, including the Jew, about that era.
    And this doesn't come close one bit to how Jews ethnically cleansed +700,000 Arabs civilians.
    In no way is being shunned from a profession close to a war crime like ethnic cleansing.
    Your attempt to make this comparison only shows how shallow your argument is.


    And your utterly racist and zionistic argument is basically now....
    Jews got mistreated by some random Arabs in some country far across the border, hence us Jews got a right to ethnically cleanse our Arabs because they are Arabs in a tit for tat.

    I can't say I got a right to thieve from a random Jew and find it just because bernie Madoff is a Jew and world's biggest thieve in a tit for tat.
     
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    Seems you got Ukraine messed up .. but what does this have to do with Israel's dirty deeds... trying to say Israel gone rogue like Russia ?
    Then you go around asking others this laughable nonsense question that you won't answer yourself.

    What should the Palestinians do with these Israeli Bad guys.... the Sinwar equivalents .. just allow them to continue slaughtering children ?
     
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    You are not disputing Russia as well as Israel bomb shelters, temples, schools and hospitals, and so I can only assume you are conceding to this.

    You keep saying that. It up for you to prove with an independent source that this is what happens in Palestine.
    So far you haven't. All in all, the Jew homeland kills far more children then terrorist who aims at them.
    The same Jew homeland that rapes international laws left and right / most condemned nation on the planet.

    It would be in every bodies interest if a 3rd party does things according to the book.... as in kick out all the Israeli's living illegally in Golan, East-Jerusalem and the West Bank, and give back the land of 700,000 Arab civilian refugees inside Israel, and stop the flow of all arms to Israel and Palestine and disarm the lot of them.
     
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    I wrote
    "Since you suddenly now are ignoring the point of targeting children,.. we can only assume you conceded to it."
    and the above is your response? lol

    So I can only conclude that you concede that Israel is indeed targeting children, since instead of denying it you're just deflecting about it /dragging in ancient history... thinking things were a war crime when there was no law stating it was a crime.
     
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    There's been plenty of laws broken when Jews were killed. Even during the Crusades those who massacred Jews in Palestine and Europe broke laws. And many Jewish children died. In fact I would say over the centuries maybe five million children were murdered by Christians and Muslims.
     
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    Because most all aid to Israel is hidden and only cash aid is counted as aid while forgiven "loans", "joint" projects, grants, gifts of military equipment etc makes up the difference.

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    Among the many secrets that Pollard gave the Israelis were US ICBM targeting information which Israel then sold to the former USSR. It cost the US $ Billions to redesign the targeting system from scratch.
    Additionally, Pollard gave Israel the names of CIA operatives and their contacts which Israel also sold to the former USSR. Since those American CIA operatives were either executed or sent to gulags, new operatives had to be recruited and trained which also cost the US at least hundreds of American lives & significant funds.
    The exact amount of Pollard's spying for Israel and Israel's subsequent sale of US secrets is not known but estimated to be in the $ Billions.

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    Yes, even something that is "alleged" can be true.

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    I have found that Wikipedia is generally pretty accurate except when it comes to Israel - Palestine, WW 2, the holocaust and other areas of interest to the Hasbara crowd.
     
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    Don't underestimate the damage that is done to the US by Israel's theft of America's military secrets and sale of them to hostile governments like China. Also, the pro Israel MSM neither investigates nor reports on Israel's innumerable betrayals.
    However, occasionally some things bubble to the surface:

    "US Soldiers In Iraq Being Killed By Israeli Snipers"


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    When I used the term: "extremely bigoted hate filled fanatics, I did not mean all Israelis but primarily Israel's glut of militant "Settlers" and some members of the Israeli government.

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    Because Egypt was the closest to the USS Liberty and much of Egypt's Air Force was comprised of
    French Mirage fighter planes like the unmarked ones that the Israelis used.


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    "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away. - Benjamin Netanyahu

    1. https://www.quotemaster.org/q8da87be6957d927735bc145596436a2e

    2. https://tapnewswire.com/2020/01/onc...he-united-states-it-can-dry-up-and-blow-away/

    3. https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/7816-benjamin-netanyahu
     
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    I have not yet verified my age for Youtube and cannot watch that age-restricted video. Is it the same as this?: https://www.bitchute.com/video/sZOFNlZggE2m/

    SOME members of the government? All of the anti-Arab action is conducted by the government isn't it?

    So can I give you any purported quote, and you will accept it as real with enough websites which mention it, even if they are not cited?
     
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    Well if it's that difficult to count, then really NO amount of money should be reported. And anything which IS reported, surely cannot be deemed accurate.

    Except it's open to ANYONE to infiltrate. Not just the "Hasbara crowd."
     
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    Now you should know what I'm talking about from reading the conversation thread above. You claim to have already given other examples, but for some reason you cannot bring yourself to repeat just ONE of them! Just ONE! Just because you have already given them doesn't mean that you can't repeat ONE of them!
     
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    You are countering it by continuing to pretend that I made claims which I did not make? That's strange.

    I read it. He said nothing about criminal proof. Simple.

    No, I'm saying that it isn't relevant because it isn't relevant.
     
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    I think the Turks have the right to return to Palestine, so too the Crusaders, Romans and the Jews.
    Mostly the Jews - the wonder of Israel is that after 1800 years they too had the right of return.
    Sadly, half a million Middle East Jews lost their right of return, along with millions more across the world as Jews were driven out of many nations.
    My own family were driven out of Portugal and have never had the right of return after 400 or so years.
     
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    You keep up raising points and formulate it in a question. I have no interest to prove or disprove this, if you're not interested in proving or disproving the points you dragged in.

    The claim are:
    The IDF stood at around 200 meters away from reporter.
    The bullet that killed the reporter flew around 200 meters.
    The IDF was in a direct line on the reporter.
    The Palestinians were much further away from the reporter
    The Palestinians did not have a direct line on the reporter
    The IDF and the Palestinians used the weapons/bullets shot at the reporter
    The IDF used is capable to have shot the report in small aimed bursts.
    The Palestinians could not have hit that area with such a small spread at that distance.
    And so this proves the IDF killed the reporter,
    and you are conceding to this by not able or willing to dispute it.

    You only are saying now it's not relevant, because you can't dispute their claims that proves the IDF killed the reporter.
     
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    I'm not seeing the word "proof" in there.
     
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    The difference is that Israel has currently got a law up banning Arab civilians and their decedents from going back to their homes, which is in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions that Israel has signed. It's also defying the UNSC resolution making it the law for Arab civilians to return. It's also defying the Balfour declaration. While I doubt a descendent of a crusader is able to prove they owned a certain plot of land in Israel that they legally purchased but got kicked off from.

    This makes Israel an apartheid state to give Jews a right to return for being a Jew but defies international law to allow Arabs of having that same right.

    sadly this is a zionistic argument used by some Jews to argue that it's okay to go ethnically cleanse Arab civilians because Jews were wronged somewhere down in history too... casually omitting a war crime is not excusable.
     
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    I don't see you argue the logic behind that the conclusion is that Israel killed the reporter, so you are conceding.
     
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    Ah, so CNN isn't the only one which is not talking in terms of PROOF! You too! I did not see "prove/proved/proof" in your above post, like you did in so many of your previous posts! Looks like you've dropped it!
     
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    I'm aware that you are very keen about having some need that 1 specific word must be mentioned in an article to be able to judge it as valid.
    I'm absolutely not interested in your "word search" game, when the context is crystal clear and you're conceding to it by not disputing what is being mentioned.
     
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    I've never disputed the findings. I have just disputed it as CRIMINAL PROOF!
     

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