Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    @Kokomojojo , just because you know a proposition HAS an answer doesn't mean you KNOW the answer. I know that an angle of a triangle HAS a value, but doesn't mean I KNOW the value of that angle.

    I know that "The number of stars in our galaxy is an odd number" is a proposition that has a T/F value. That doesn't mean I know WHAT the value is. Same goes for you. You know that proposition is T/F, but you don't know which holds. If you actually address this concept, I will answer your question about my preferred logic textbook. You won't. You can't.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    FALSE It communicates his answer to a proposition. (and he has been busted) No amount of repeat will change that.
    FALSE he went on to justify it was a legitmate response because it was 'his' truth, not the truth of the proposition as required. He posted no citation that even touches a counter, he stands busted, and so do you for supporting his nonsense, especially after you yourself admitted his response does not answer the proposition. Your apologetics contradict your claims.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You still haven't provided a source for your claim that it is illegal to not know the answer to a proposition . . . and several times you've admitted that you don't know the answer to a proposition. Grow up and deal with it.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Think about this birdie, if you want to know how over the top irrational his nonsense is, I could take a test on propositions and answer "I dont know" to every question and ace the mofo!

    Question #1) Koko is taking a test: I dont know! LMFAO

    What you guys are preaching out here is on the bleeding edge of insanity!

    :roflol:
     
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  5. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    So, once again, you claim to know the answer to every question. Weird.
     
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    cabse5 Banned

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    No matter what he says, he doesn't think. He hates.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yet you will not so much as answer a single simple question.
     
  8. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    unlike your claiming to be too ignorant to provide a T/F response. :roflol:
    I suppose at least you admit you are in over your head, and the bird championing ignorance.
     
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    You've failed to provide a T/F response. You can hide behind emojis all you want, but your hypocrisy is still showing.

    You've refused to provide T/F responses. You've admitted there are T/F propositions that you don't know the answer to . . . like anyone with two brain cells to rub together would. But now you try to backtrack.
     
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    Again, that's entirely your own straw man. Nobody has suggested any such thing.

    What they have suggested is that you could decline to take the test, you could state you didn't study for the test or take the course and know none of the answers, and you could even fold the test (if a paper test) into a paper airplane and toss it out a window.

    Those would all be responses and they would all be fine. They wouldn't be answers to the propositions, and there is nothing wrong with that. They would still be responses.
     
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    Admitting when you don't know something is called honesty. You could try it. You may like it. Would you prefer people lie and pretend to know what they don't?
     
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    Nope. If they admit they don't know, that's fine be me. There are tons of T/F propositions I don't know the answer to. I've even provided a couple. I'm getting to the fact that @Kokomojojo has claimed that it is "illegal" to not know, and yet he clearly doesn't know the answer to every T/F proposition. He's demanded that a T/F response MUST be provided to every T/F proposition, so I'm holding him to that standard.
     
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    Yes. Agreed. I misread the earlier post and thought it was from Koko rather than yourself. I redid the post now to address what he did say.
     
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    No worries. I'm being cheeky anyway, so I can't exactly complain.:banana:
     
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    He is just jerking people around and as usual making **** up with that nonsense, I most certainly did respond to his propositions.
     
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    LOL
    you cant even comprehend my position correctly, but that combined with all the rest of your nonsense at first was pretty entertaining but its getting a bit old.
     
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    Seems so. But that's more on you than anyone else. Not only do you not communicate clearly, but you also refuse to answer questions for clarification.
     
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    That's literally the argument you've presented. But if you would like to contradict yourself . . . again, then feel free.
     
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    Tough. It is however an accurate view of how the conjunctions work.

    Your yellow example is not a correct example of conjunction elimination. The conjunction of "yellow is red" and "yellow is green" is not "yellow is green and red", it is "yellow is green and yellow is red". Your example does not disprove conjunction elimination since the thing you tried to eliminate is not a correct conjunction.

    Two correct examples of conjunction elimination are:

    1. The man is wearing a hat and the man is wearing a coat
    Therefore:
    2. The man is wearing a hat

    1. Kokomojojo does not believe God exists and Kokomojojo does not believe God does not exist
    Therefore:
    2. Kokomojojo does not believe God exists. ​

    A valid but unsound example would be :
    1. Yellow is red and yellow is green
    Therefore:
    2. Yellow is red​
    This is a valid piece of logic, which uses conjunction elimination correctly. However, it is not a sound piece of logic, since the premise (line 1) is not true. If you replace the first line with some other statement, such as "Yellow is a mix of red and green in certain colour models and examples", then it is no longer a valid example of conjunction elimination.

    Nope, the thing that is being negated here does not match Flew's definition of atheist.

    The line of logic that identifies Flew's atheism in your example follows exact logical rules.
    The line of logic that you use suffers from equivocation and... well, just a failure to identify what it is that means that a word applies.

    Nope, you keep saying it, but you haven't shown what that means, and how what I've said maps onto it. I use the rule of conjunction elimination, if you read a composition fallacy into it, that's a you-problem.

    Seems to make a lot of assumptions about what circumstances and boats we're talking about.
     
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    This is not true. You have not responded to any propositions.

    For example: "God exists." What is your response to that proposition, keeping in mind that you have said it is "illegal" to respond with ANYTHING other than a True or a False?

    Another example: "Koko knows the answer to every T/F proposition in existence." What is your response?

    In fact, I can't find a single example in this thread where you have responded to ANYONE'S propositions. You certainly haven't responded to any of mine. I'd ask you to quote yourself doing so (as you've commanded from me and I've complied with), but I know you lack the ability or character to do so.

    Also, why have you, as recently as this year (not 6 years ago) claimed that the "God exists" proposition is UNKNOWABLE while also claiming it is illegal to say so?

    But, hey, no one thinks you are capable of responding to that proposition in the manner that you demand from others. There's a reason you didn't quote me or tag me. Hiding again.

    You demand that others answer your questions, but you refuse to answer any. Pathetic and dishonest.
     
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    Its a counter point to the insanity I see here.
    If I dont know is a legitimate response to a true false proposition than I can simply claim I dont know for every proposition and ACE THE TEST, well at least in yardmeats imaginary class.

    you agree with the yard meat by all means quote his link confirrming you can respond with I dont know, If you cant I will consider I dont know conceded for the stupidity it represents.
     
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    red and green is yellow, therefore yellow is green.
    yeh it works great for a lot of other things like, mary's hat and coat, therefore marys coat. lol

    you are entitled to your 'opinion'
     
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    You know damn well thats not true, so hard up wow
    not yours, not until you post an academic source for "I dont know"
    you wqant a debate where I am the only one required to support my claims
    our turn, and quote the validation to your claim Im not going to read a whole ****ing library only to discover it does not support your I dont know claim like the last bit of garbage you posted

    anothere faked claim in pure desperation, nothing is quoted LOL
     
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    You need to start from the beginning if you want to write some sort of syllogism.
    Kokomojojo is agnostic
    Kokomojojo does not believe God does not exist therefore koko is theist
    Kokomojojo does not believe God exists therefore koko is atheist
    Therefore koko is theist-atheist.
    Seems we got a contradiction here
    at least contain it to the correct subject matter and point you are trying to prove.
    What you did is a fail btw
     
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    No. That isn't what anybody but you has claimed.

    Why do you require anybody to quote anything for that? We know one can reply with I don't know, because people have done so in this very thread. Responding doesn't necessarily mean answering the question. You respond to posts without answering questions all the time. It isn't illegal. There is no compulsion to answer a question or claim a truth value for a proposition. You can say you don't know.
     
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