We are scared by what we saw.

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  1. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm talking about Tucker. Can't stand him.
     
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    Breaking into the congressional office building, to harass members of Congress doesn't compare to January 6th?
     
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    You had better brace yourself because the democrats have hired 10 times as many lawyers to do the same thing. Democrats have the Muslim attitude: “If we were there once, it is forever ours”.
     
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    Did the Christians give the US back to the Indians?
     
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats have hired 10 times as many lawyers to do what?
     
  6. 19Crib

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    The same as the did last time. Sue to include defaced and voided ballots, late ballots with no provenance, car trunks full off absentee ballots without signatures or chain of custody. Lower the bar for “phony ballots” as low as possible.

    like I said before: we have secure lotteries, but vote counting is the wild, wild west.
     
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    Can you source this claim with independent or non-partisan sources? I did a quick search and cannot find any.

    I have no issues with polling places accepting damaged ballots as long as they are an authorized voter. Ballots post marked by the deadline should also be accepted even if they are delayed in transit.

    It is kind of disgusting that you believe someone’s voice should be voided because their ballot is damaged or late due to no fault of their own.
     
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    you're right, it doesn't compare to Jan 6th, not even close, Jan 6 was much much worse
     
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    My bad. I don't like him much either
     
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    It's beyond disgusting that you'd be okay with counting ballots with no chain of custody or without verifying signatures.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where did I say either of those? Direct quote me
    I eagerly await your response as I know you would never outright lie or push a strawman because you don’t have a point.
     
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    What kind of BS are you pedaling now? Why don't you at least explain your nonsense. What you post is pretty much gibberish.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I bet book reports weren't your thing in school... but no worries. The liberal insurrection June 16th 2022 will live in the history of the nation. It will live in infamy. And we won't forget.
     
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    Here is your problem: you are an honest person. That puts you at a disadvantage trying to understand the methods and motives of voter fraud.
     
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    I try to be but I do understand that power and money will completely corrupt people. The presidency offers both to many groups which is why companies spend billions to buy such positions.

    That said I have still not seen the level of massive voting fraud that has been asserted by the right. Every claim that has been made is either outright fraudulent or ignores some process that has existed for many election cycles.

    I don’t understand why trump supporters have such a hard time believing he lost, he lost against Clinton by number of votes and she is hated, he then spent 4 years attacking moderate republicans, democrats and anyone that didn’t agree with him 100% of the time while radicalizing his base. How did they expect any other outcome?
     
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    I'm guessing you have not yet viewed 2000 Mules....
     
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    If we have learned anything from our elections since W Bush it's that it doesn't take massive fraud to turn an election, it only takes strategic manipulation and it would take an extraordinary effort to scrape off the cover and expose it. To hear people claim there is no fraud is ridiculous, there is always fraud in every election and waving around a small example claiming it isn't big enough to be a problem is politics American style. It's like one cockroach or one mouse in your home. I believe the last fully accepted election we have had was Bill Clinton and the most recent election that is still blamed on fraud was Hillary. She never accepted that she lost and neither have her followers. The only safeguard we have against fraud are the control measures we have in place and clearly one side supports them and the other side pushes for an open free for all policy. Which method is most open to fraud? There is nothing sacred about voting, it's a bloody open war with winner take all. To claim there is no fraud is ridiculous.
     
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    I have, I also looked at the individual claims and found them all to be either fraudulent or based on shaky methodology

    I’m guessing that you just took the words of a man that was convicted of election finance fraud and then pardoned by trump at face vale because it pushed your agenda: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-2020-u-s-presidential-election-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ
     
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    I think for myself. Dinesh was the producer. The nuts and bolts of the analysis were done by Catherine Engelbrecht and True The Vote.

    Did you really watch it, or are you pulling my leg?
     
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    The issue with the Bush v Gore election was they SCOTUS intervened — many felt their vote was stolen because of this and many verifiable signs showed Gore should have won

    To trump v Clinton, the EC overruled the voice of the people. I know that is the intention of our electoral system but to have a system say your voice — the voice of the majority — is irrelevant is naturally going to bother those individuals. That he then went on to run his presidency like he was elected by an overwhelming majority and was allowed to sit three new SCOTUS justices after Republicans perverted the system to hold up a two time duly elected presidents pick and rushed the final one through… That is just going to leave a bad taste in peoples mouth. Not to mention there was proven election interference by foreign states

    There has been no evidence of massive fraud for Biden v trump outside of what happened in Florida and a few trump clerks
     
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    I unfortunately watched it. There is no independent or unbiased source that can back up any of the claims that they made in that film. It all sounds plausible until you start to look it up – which you did not do. That is how the entire last administration operated, they put just enough out there where it could possibly be true to roll up people that are too lazy to actually think for themselves and source what is being claimed
     
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    Look it up? What do you mean?

    I understand that phones can be tracked. I understand geo location. I understand defining parameters to test theories and to measure data. The video record corroborates the geo-location data. I think for myself.

    It sounds to me like you're in some stage of denial about what the data analysis shows. Maybe you slept through the good part?
     
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    It sounds like you let the film, made by a hyper partisan and multiple hyperpartisan organizations think for you. I posted a source that showed why the data is not reliable. Feel free to read it or don’t

    Anyone that only listens to one side of a perspective is a fool — Anyone that refuses to even hear that information may be manipulated is an even bigger one.

    Feel free to review my source and refute it. Or don’t and we can be done here.
     
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    Goodness, it sounds like you're calling yourself a fool.....
     
  25. cd8ed

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    I watched the movie and have read a ton of claims about the claims of election fraud. I have them found sources that show why those claims are either invalid or manipulated.

    You seemed to have stopped at step 1
     

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