Which Democratic loss was more intense? Gore 2000 or Clinton 2016?

Which Democratic loss was more intense? Gore 2000 or Clinton 2016?

A lot of people are saying that if Gore or Clinton had won, this would not be happening...


Why are the Bushes the only Republicans to recently win the popular vote? In 1988 and 2004?

 

Clinton, obviously.
It directly led to 3 RW Judges.
Actually, Kerry's Loss to Bush43 was more consequential than Gore Losing.
B/c GWB went through his entire 1st term w/o a SC Appt..

 

2000, because it would have spared us from Iraq disaster, which ended up destabilizing the whole area. The economic meltdown of 2008 also likely would not have happened. Bush won by less than 600 votes, after Supreme Court ordered to stop the Florida recount.

 

But Gore would have lost in 2004 after 9/11. You think the cops and firefighters and Giuliani and Kerik would have rallied around President Gore at Ground Zero?

2002 midterms would have been a bloodbath....

 

Why would they NOT have rallied around him if he had stood there promising to kick ass? Those kinds of events tend to make people forget partisan divisions at least for a while. NYC voted for Gore, not Bush.

Again, - Why? We would have gone into Afghanistan under Gore too, and people supported it at that time.

 

Back then ... yes.

 

Cops--specifically tend to lean Republican. A lot of NYPD loved Mayor Giuliani, firefighters are more Democratic leaning, but they vote Republican as well.

 

Everyday people are not as partisan as you think. Its absurd to think cops and firefighters would have dissed a president the day after 9/11 because he was not Republican. As bad as 9/11 was, it united Americans against a common enemy. That sentiment lasted until people realized Iraq was based on a lie, but that was 2 years later

 

Agreed. SCOTUS picks are far more consequential than any POTUS and they hold their positions for much longer.

 

I'd say Gore. That one came down to the wire.

Clinton wasn't surprising at all. Well, it wasn't surprising that people didn't want to vote for her. It WAS surprising that people wanted to vote for Trump, but I guess since he was the unknown corrupt quantity versus the known corrupt quantity, it isn't all that much of a mystery.

 

Clearly, Clinton.

2016 unleashed an idiotic, self-entitled, narcissistic psychopathic simpleton with delusions of grandeur, a hooker given the title of "lady" and three equally horrible demons seeds, their skanky partners with less than 10 brain cells between them all given carte blanche to all our country's classified information (now on the free market to the highest bidder).

 

Some of them are partisan. Gore was Clinton's vice president, and the planning of 9/11 happened full swing in the 1990s. Gore would have been blamed....yes, it did unite America for a while but that was because of effective right wing messaging post-9/11 that has been felt to this day.

A lot of cops in NYC like Giuliani, that is how he defeated the first Black mayor of NYC, David Dinkins in 1993. Dinkins was seen as anticop.

Giuliani Encouraging Police Terrorism Against American Democracy - YouTube

 

You are explaining how YOU see things, because obviously you see them 100% through partisan lenses. Most people are not like that, especially when the nation is attacked by outside forces.

 

From an emotional point of view, Clinton’s loss was more intense. Not only did the left love her, but the guy they hated passionately won. Many libs still haven’t recovered.

 

2024 will be the loss that will cause them the most intense pain.

 

I don't think they loved her, in fact many on the left held her in some sort of disdain, but they did think she was inevitable and were totally shocked that Trump won. In terms of emotions, the Hillary loss was far worse than Gore. Sure they lost it over Gore losing (Bush was selected not elected-remember?) but after a few weeks sort of came around to accepting it. With Hillary's loss, the impact was so deep that they still have not gotten over it and have been in some Trump related version of hysteria ever since.

 

Hillary carried the banner for women and she was a gut cinch winner. Gore was raised to be President much as the Kennedy boys were so it was a bitter pill.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "intense". If you mean the most damaging to the country: it wasn't so much Hillary's loss, as it was Trump's win. I mean, we had a Mafia boss as President for 4 years, and he did quite a bit of damage. However, the legacy of crime that Trump left behind can be alleviated by sending him to prison. We are still, even now, paying for the damage that Bush did. Both in a financial (we pawned our soul to China to finance Bush's war) and a political sense. Trump is in no small part the result of that era. It's when many Republicans first made the decision that their party was more important than their country.

 

While Democrats were very upset over the election of 2000, they went bat **** crazy in 2016..... and it lasted at that intensity for about six years and counting.

 

An argument could be made that what lead to two of those three extremist conservative justices was McConnell's unprecedented treachery.

 

The 2000 election was stolen by the SC, pure and simple. The EC's election of Trump has proven to be far more tragic for democracy.

 

No, the 2000 election was stolen by the democrats who had a crap voting system in democratic controlled counties

If voting was easier, Gore wins

By the rules of election, Bush won

 

If "our Democracy" is damaged or encroached, it will be from the port side.

 

In 2000 we saw a questionable Supreme Court decision. Not a good thing, but the system can withstand it. In 2016 we saw a criminal become President who used the Presidency for personal wealth and power, and tried to overturn our Democratic system. Any moderately patriotic American SHOULD be bat **** crazy about that because we don't know yet if our legal system can withstand that.

Anybody who is not bat **** crazy about that would have no discernable reason to be bat **** crazy if Putin invaded this country and named himself the dictator.

 

Kerry obviously. It took a supreme court decision to end the fight.