10 key quotes from Justice Alito's opinion overturning Roe v. Wade

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  1. 19Crib

    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/10-key-quotes-justice-alitos-opinion-overturning-roe-v-wade
    If you are interested in why RvW was overturned, this explains the ten main reasons, and explains it in English.
    Of course for some it will become an excuse to riot, deface, burn, and hunt down those who disagree with you, because there is a segment of the population that cannot live under a nation of laws. They will pay their price later. But for now, it is a states rights issue.
     
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    I especially found this point . . .

    That has always been the core issue relative to abortion. You're not just considering your own life, but the life of another that has no voice in the matter. How many people wish they were never born? Very few, I imagine.
     
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    Is male masturbation now a potential crime. :)
     
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    Sperm by itself does not produce life. Biology 101. :)
     
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    You can choose to consent to have legal sexual intercourse, and thus is called procreation. Masturbation does not, to any scientific knowledge prevent a male from engaging in intercourse with a woman should they so choose.
     
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    But it has the potential and without it there is no reproduction.
     
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    FYI, that was mainly sarcasm pointed at the ridiculous notion that potential life should be protected.
     
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    Jeffrey Toobin and Pee-Wee Herman, please report to the office now!
     
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    Good God can you imagine the amount of raw jokes that would arise. !!!
     
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    On its own it has no potential. Didn't you pay attention when you being taught about the birds and bees? :)
     
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    Neither does a fertilized egg.
     
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    His quotes are public record and not subject to copyrights so let's just post them

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    "Not only was there no support for such a constitutional right until shortly before Roe, but abortion had long been a crime in every single State. At common law, abortion was criminal in at least some stages of pregnancy and was regarded as unlawful and could have very serious consequences at all stages. American law followed the common law until a wave of statutory restrictions in the 1800s expanded criminal liability for abortions. By the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, three-quarters of the States had made abortion a crime at any stage of pregnancy, and the remaining States would soon follow. "

    "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives."

    "In interpreting what is meant by the Fourteenth Amendment’s reference to ‘liberty,’ we must guard against the natural human tendency to confuse what that Amendment protects with our own ardent views about the liberty that Americans should enjoy. That is why the Court has long been 'reluctant' to recognize rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution."

    "Finally, the dissent suggests that our decision calls into question Griswold, Eisenstadt, Lawrence, and Obergefell. But we have stated unequivocally that '[n]othing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.' We have also explained why that is so: rights regarding contraception and same-sex relationships are inherently different from the right to abortion because the latter (as we have stressed) uniquely involves what Roe and Casey termed 'potential life.'"

    "Our opinion is not based on any view about if and when prenatal life is entitled to any of the rights enjoyed after birth. The dissent, by contrast, would impose on the people a particular theory about when the rights of personhood begin. According to the dissent, the Constitution requires the States to regard a fetus as lacking even the most basic human right—to live—at least until an arbitrary point in a pregnancy has passed. Nothing in the Constitution or in our Nation’s legal traditions authorizes the Court to adopt that ‘theory of life.'"

    "Roe was on a collision course with the Constitution from the day it was decided, Casey perpetuated its errors, and those errors do not concern some arcane corner of the law of little importance to the American people. Rather, wielding nothing but "raw judicial power,"... the Court usurped the power to address a question of profound moral and social importance that the Constitution unequivocally leaves for the people."

    "Roe found that the Constitution implicitly conferred a right to obtain an abortion, but it failed to ground its decision in text, history, or precedent. It relied on an erroneous historical narrative; it devoted great attention to and presumably relied on matters that have no bearing on the meaning of the Constitution; it disregarded the fundamental difference between the precedents on which it relied and the question before the Court; it concocted an elaborate set of rules, with different restrictions for each trimester of pregnancy, but it did not explain how this veritable code could be teased out of anything in the Constitution, the history of abortion laws, prior precedent, or any other cited source; and its most important rule (that States cannot protect fetal life prior to ‘viability’) was never raised by any Opinion of the Court party and has never been plausibly explained."

    "Our decision returns the issue of abortion to those legislative bodies, and it allows women on both sides of the abortion issue to seek to affect the legislative process by influencing public opinion, lobbying legislators, voting, and running for office. Women are not without electoral or political power. It is noteworthy that the percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so."

    "We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision. We can only do our job, which is to interpret the law, apply longstanding principles of stare decisis, and decide this case accordingly. We therefore hold that the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion. Roe and Casey must be overruled, and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives."

    "Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives."
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    That is some POWEFUL stuff. I can't say I find anything in the legal and constitutional reasoning with which I could disagree. He lays out what has been the legal albatross of abortion in this country since RvW, that it was a right created out of whole cloth with no basis in the Constitution. Even Ginsberg agreed it as bad law from the getgo.

    Hopefully some on the pro legal abortion without restriction side will actually address the legal and constitutional points made.
     
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    ............................:wall:...................................go and search "difference between a gamete and a human life", "haploid and diploid cells". Biology 101.
     
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    Once a human ovum is fertilized and conception occurs it is a human life, a human in the zygote stage of a human life, not an egg.
     
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    Only for me because they need every drop for the repopulation plan
     
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    Not by itself it doesn't.
     
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    It just needs a spot to grow. Nothing more is added to it, nor can anything be taken away from it.
     
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    Fail hahahaha
     
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    If live begins at fertilization then various forms of BC ARE next to be made illegal
     
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    it's the pro-abortion side that always screams "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE"..............except when it comes to abortion.
     
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    Non-sequitur. BC prevents ovulation and pregnancy by keeping the woman's body infertile.
     
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    The sperm does not become a human life. It as a independent organism, a gamete, ceases to function once it injects the half sequence of the fathers DNA it is carrying into the ovum which then joins the other half sequence of the mother and then a new human life is created and comes into existence.

    You should concentrate on the legal reasonings since that is what the decision is based.
     
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    Yah and it has other functions as well


    How does the birth control pill work?
    Hormones in birth control pills prevent pregnancy by:

    • Stopping or reducing ovulation (the release of an egg from an ovary).
    • Thickening cervical mucus to keep sperm from entering the uterus.
    • Thinning the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg is less likely to attach.
     
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    Can I Use Regular Birth Control Pills as Emergency Contraception? Yes, certain brands of birth control pills can be used in increased doses as emergency contraception.

    The pill is next. Zero doubt.
     
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    As I said, she doesn't ovulate, that is the primary function and even in the very rare instance she does her body is not fertile to pregnancy's.

    Now do you have anything to add to the discussion of the legal merits here or not?

    Biology class is over.
     
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