Should Amy Barrot and Brett Kavanaugh be punished fot lying?

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  1. HockeyDad

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    Definitely escalate. And when we get back the reins of power, we should escalate. Keep escalating. It worked for Russia in 1917, Germany in the 30's and it can work for us too.
     
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    AbsaByGodLutely!

    They should be impeached.
     
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  3. Natty Bumpo

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    Slavish fidelity to legislating from the bench is clearly a matter of whether one's personal notions are foisted upon the majority of Americans who support personal freedom over statist abrogations of established law.

     
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    Well, the Dred Scott case was the law of the land before the Civil War when slaves were considered property of slave owners in the eyes of the law. OP, figure it out, just once.
     
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    Reported for insurrection.
     
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    Baring false witness is status quo in Washington DC. To name only 3 of many perjurers, Brennan, Fauci and Clapper have made many false statements under oath, before Congress, and have not been punished for it, demonstrating clearly that there is no rule of law in this country, or at least very selective application of the law.
     
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    When they stood in front of congress (which they didn't BTW) and said those words Roe was the settled law of the land.

    A justice (or federal judge) cannot be impeached, but what do you care.
     
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    What about all the conservative Republican politicians of undeniable integrity that provided devastating corroborated sworn testimony damning rabid, squalid Trumpery?

    The RINOs of Trumpery rage against traditional Republicans from Lincoln on down ever since they infested the party in 2016, not just their demonic Democrats.
     
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    There is no legal defense against dissembling ideologues legislating regressive law from the bench.

    In this case the deception resulted in the trashing of a half-century of established law that is supported by most Americans, is consistent with the enlightened laws of progressive, advanced, democratic societies elsewhere (Canada, Scandinavia, Great Britain, etc,), opting instead for the authoritarian repression of sh¡thole nations such as Iraq, El Salvador, and Nicaragua.

    There will be consequences.
     
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    Sounds like Russian disinformation to me.
     
  11. Lee Atwater

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    Your sarcasm is noted. Perhaps if your party did something about those responsible treacherous acts (stealing two SC nominees, refusing to vote on the confirmation of prez nominees, ending the filibuster for SC nominees, obstructing the people's agenda) escalation would not be necessary. As it is..........


    Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas says gay rights, contraception rulings should be reconsidered after Roe is overturned
    Abortion no longer is a federal right with Roe v. Wade overturned. Supreme Court Justice Thomas now is eyeing cases related to gay rights and birth control.
    [​IMG] www.cnbc.com

    Begging the question, what should be the Dem response? I think it begins with a realization of something Dems should have come to understand years ago. There is no abuse of power, no treachery, no lie, no availing themselves of the structurally undemocratic institutions of our governmental system too egregious for Repubs to use in their pursuit of imposing their beliefs on the majority. They have shown it over and over again. It's time for Dems to get in the game.

    What does that mean? It means taking steps to ensure the will of the majority is recognized. So......if and when the opportunity arises......abolish the EC so that the prez is elected with a majority of votes. Make PR and DC states to diminish the disproportionate representation of conservatives in the Senate. End gerrymandering. Put in place national standards for election practices to prevent states controlled by Repubs from suppressing the votes of targeted demographics. Expand the number of seats on the SC.

    IOW, start doing things to strengthen the democratic principle of majority rule. Get real about what it will take to fight back against the authoritarian impulses of Repubs. Stop naively thinking this is just a phase brought on by the Orange Skidmark. It's real, it's happening, it's not going to stop unless the majority stops it.
     
  12. Independent4ever

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    What about, What about, What about

    The never ending refrain from both parties. They do crap, let's top it...
     
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    Just abolish everything and make your party rulers for life

    Just like Trump and his followers want for his party
     
  14. Lee Atwater

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    Realizing their policy positions are unpopular with the majority, thus making legislation difficult to pass, Repubs shifted their strategy to packing the courts, voter suppression, gerrymandering, any means to ensure the tyranny of the minority.
     
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    You misrepresented what I said........again. The measures I outlined help ensure the will of the majority prevails.........the basic principle on which democracy is founded.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

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    What they want is to rule without legitimate authority.
     
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    If the election was held today, in my opinion, DeSantis vs Biden, DeSantis wins the popular vote

    So - in that scenario, you will be ok if all republican platforms were fully implemented?
     
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    Yes they do which is why anyone who supports and defends the narcisistic conman is wrong

    However the dems spent 4 years going overboard to undermine Trump

    There are no good guys here
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    Another false equivalence. There is nothing Dems did in response to Trump's efforts to tear down the country that equates to an attempted coup.
     
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    You are too hung up on equivalence - I don't care which is worse. The end result is that our country is getting worse and worse with the never ending crap

    Who cares who wins the battle, we will all lose the war
     
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    But we know it isn't so there's that.
     
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    The flaw on both sides remains, you have no problem pointing out the other sides crap, and both are right way more then they are wrong, but ignore/defend how they behave
     
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    The fanatics failed for decades via proselytization to persuade most Americans, so they resorted to State coercion as the means to impose their personal notions upon everyone.

    The authoritarian zealots who are hellbent on arrogating personal liberty in retrogressive states will be confronted with the majority of Americans still supporting Roe v Wade, the reality that the majority of abortions are now of the medical variety via internet and private mail, and the resistance within the judicial system to persecuting women for private decisions.

    Americans will not allow these extremists to devolve our nation into an Iraq, an El Salvador, or a Nicaragua where politicians control wombs.


    Dozens of elected prosecutors said Friday they would refuse to prosecute those seeking, assisting or providing abortions after the Supreme Court overturned the 1973 ruling that guaranteed a constitutional right to abortion.

    Dozens of elected prosecutors say they will refuse to prosecute abortion care

    Prosecutors from 29 states, territories and Washington, D.C., signed a joint statement that included signatories from states like Mississippi, Missouri and Wisconsin that have banned or are poised to ban abortion services following the reversal of Roe v. Wade.

    “Not all of us agree on a personal or moral level on the issue of abortion,” said the statement signed by 84 prosecutors, a group that included district attorneys and state attorneys general. “But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions. As such, we decline to use our offices’ resources to criminalize reproductive health decisions and commit to exercise our well-settled discretion and refrain from prosecuting those who seek, provide, or support abortions.”

    The prosecutors said enforcing abortion bans would also "hinder our ability to hold perpetrators accountable, take resources away from the enforcement of serious crime, and inevitably lead to the re-traumatization and criminalization of victims of sexual violence."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...secute-abortion-care/ar-AAYQe2f?ocid=BingNews
     
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    Right.

    Only the democrats can know if it's real or not, since they're the ones that created it.
     

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