"Justice Thomas: SCOTUS should reconsider contraception"

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  1. Matt84

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    You're so hung up on gay marriage. Do tell the world how it affects you.
     
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    I’d argue your side is hung up on it over anyone else. Think about it. Your side doesn’t care about anything except social issues like this. To hell with the economy, gas prices, the military, 401ks, inflation, supply issues, the housing market, etc, etc, etc….
    The only thing that matters to Democrats is abortion and gay sex.
     
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    He is saying the Constitution does not mention any right to privacy which is what the Griswald ruling relied (made up) on. IMO Thomas' opinion has major holes in it.
     
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    So are you implying that the framers said possessing arms shall not be infringed, but not having bullets -- no problem with that???? There is this little thing called original intent that supplements original words.
     
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    The supreme court has said that laws against murder do not violate the constitutional rights of the murderer and are constitutional.
     
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    Neither @Overitall nor anybody else that I know of have said that. The 9th amendment is perfectly clear about this.
     
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    For what? You called me troll twice. Easy win. Thanks!

    :roflol:
     
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    Should have said long run:)
     
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    If 60 percent of Americans want abortion rights, then they will vote it in at the state level. The fed is just saying that it's not for them to get involved on this matter.
     
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    Good plan, but the problem with that is Arizona is the only fascist state that border CA.... there are going to be closer places to get your abortion for most...

    But I appreciate Gavin being on the right side here... it won't be forgotten...
     
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    It's not a false equivalence at all.

    Democrats want an abortion industry. They make money killing the unborn.

    You can cut it any way you'd like, but killing an unborn child is killing a human being. Obviously you'd be dead right now if your development had been ended by killing you in the development stage.

    I like how you called the person carrying the fetus a mother though.

    I tell you what, let's eliminate the 94-95% of abortions that happen because people don't use birth control consistently or at all and then we can discuss the minutia.
     
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    It's always amusing how white leftists love calling black conservatives race traitors.

    No better example of the pure racism of leftists.

    I guess if he didn't vote for Biden he "ain't black".
     
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    Says the people who focus the abortion mills in poor areas.
     
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    As a taxpaying citizen who pays way more than I should be, I'll be sure to send him a thank you card for his generosity. :disbelief: I mean really, doesn't CA. have enough problems as it is? Outrageous gas tax, etc., etc., ?
     
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    OK. Let's hear you make your case.

    And your proof, of this off the wall, inflammatory allegation?


    The part I bolded, is what I had claimed you had been trying to take as an assumed fact, when it is only your own opinion. And here, you do just that.

    The second of your points, above, is just a non sequitur fact. Sure, most of the aborted fetuses, had they been brought to term, would have become people. That is understood. It does not, however, prove that, when they were aborted, they should have been considered as people.


    Umm...I'm glad to hear it? Would you prefer I made my post that much more cumbersome to read, without adding at all to its clarity, by referring to the woman getting an abortion, in relation to the aborted fetus, as "the potential mother?"

    Just a reminder-- you still have not shown, or even explained, any financial connection between "Democrats," and the "abortion industry."

    But perhaps even that would be too much to expect, at this point. Let's try for a cohesive argument on simply your first point, that comparing someone getting an abortion to either a rapist, or a child beater (or a heroin addict), is not, as I called it, a false equivalence.

    Your comment, above, doesn't seem like anything too important, which makes it odd that you would be bringing it up, now. This incidental sort of thing, is what one generally comes to, if at all, after they believe they have strongly made all of their major points; while, in contrast, you have yet to present even your first, actual argument.

    To this point, you have only offered your unsupported opinion. I hope this doesn't mean that you're thinking of wrapping up...

    And yes, that is the end of your "argument." There is a lot that could be said of the rationale behind your offer, but I think it would be a waste of time to try to dig through it, since I doubt you even have a basis for your numerical claims, here.

    But, whenever you can actually show something to be more than strictly your own, unsupported opinion, I'm waiting.
     
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    Poor usually means uneducated, which means almost no access to sex education.

    Abortion mill is not a thing. There are less than a million abortions a year. The tobacco industry would have no power if there were only a few hundred thousand smokers.
     
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    Its not for the states either, however as you can see the instant power grab
    How will they vote it in if the 'state' doesnt put it on a referendum?
     
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    Yes that is the definition of conception.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conception

    Life didn't stop before conception and doesn't stop after. There is no start, just another branch,
    That is where Atheists can argue.
     
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    This is very complicated issue. Maybe we should invite Iranian experts to help us to solve this problem?
     
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    You want to move to Texas because Texas women are having abortions in California? Go figure.....
     
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    If they ban contraceptives and gay marriage, then what happens to gays who are already married? Nullification of marriage? Probably.

    The impact of banning contraceptives is predictable: Skyrocketing teen pregnancies and rapid increase in minority population.

    Of course. Millions adopt party opinion without question.

    Who do you refer to by "you"? Supreme Court legalized it, and it was conservative Supreme Court I might add.
     
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    Sophistry. It is new and unique DNA. It is alive. It is human. No matter how much you spin those are the underlying facts.
     
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    So I haven't tried.
     
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    I believe there are around 15 instances in which a later supreme court has reversed settled law from an earlier decision. The supreme court makes mistakes just like all of us. Try to put the correct role of federal government into perspective. The constitution defined that role pretty clearly and left things that were not "enumerated" in the constitution to the states. This decision didn't change abortion in a meaningful way. It simply followed the constitution and returned the decisions about abortion to the states. The fact that Roe V Wade has been contested in every way since it was first passed should tell you that the court made a mistake in deciding it. It should have refused to hear the case in the first place. The case went well beyond the appropriate role of federal government.

    Personally I hate abortion. I view it as homicide. Millions of people view it the same way. Given that then it is inappropriate to remove decisions about it from the public. People should be able to decide the issue by their votes, not by a court. Now they can.

    Everything will be better when the emotion subsides. In the end your view of abortion and mine won't change because it is a moral issue not really a political one. But removing it as a national court decision will benefit us all. My greatest concern about politics has always been the propensity with which federal government veers out of its lane.
     
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