How Would A Rape/Incest Exception For Abortion Work?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it doesn't. You are misinformed. We've had threads about this, but it is obvious you are ignoring them.
     
  2. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blame the victim?
     
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  3. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Ok, he's one vote. Begs he question of propensity then, no? Just can't ever be happy, can you? But quake away.. I suppose it gives you something to do...
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    ALL abortions are abortions of convenience.


    What TF else would they be?

    It is inconvenient to die.

    It is inconvenient to have a kid you can't afford.

    It is inconvenient to have a kid you don't want.
    What TF? Where did I say that ?....are you imagining things??
     
  5. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Not what I said. The victim could stop acting ashamed of being assaulted.
     
  6. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing that if you had something to say about the Republican direction on abortion wrt rape and incest you would have said it.

    You might also notice that Clarence is not the only Republican Justice that shares his view on abortion.
     
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    Oh, really. So, you've decided that it is embarrassment that is the issue.

    And, you've decided that rape and incest victims should just get over it.

    What other activities should we require of rape and incest victims to satisfy you?
     
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  8. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think I want anything of victims?
     
  9. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that.

    I think you'd be happy if they just die.
     
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  10. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I have not only "said it", I have written about it extensively here. Since we weren't discussing, but some of his other ideas about other topics, you'll forgive the rest of us for not seeing you link since you haven't provided or substantiated one.
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    I really thought that people were aware of justice Thomas's statements wrt abortion, contraception and same sex marriage. After all, it's really pretty startling that a justice of the SC would declare a direction for America, rather than simply addressing the topic in question.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/24/roe-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage/

    "Tucked inside the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling Friday that overturned the long-held constitutional protection for abortion was a concurring opinion from conservative Justice Clarence Thomas. In it, he pushed the court to revisit cases that have already been decided related to contraception and same-sex marriage."

    Or, you could read the Thomas concurrence.

    He's using his position on the court and his official concurrence in a decision to comment no just on the reasons for concurrence, but to call on America to assault other rights.

    What the heck does he think his job is?
     
  12. FoxHastings

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    Since Anita Hill poor old Clarence has hated women...
     
  13. drluggit

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    Again, as noted, yup, one opinion. It doesn't represent, as noted already, a majority of opinion. I would ask you though, can you qualify your discontent? Can you tell us why Thomas' opinion might be wrong? I mean, not an emotional one, but a legally based argument? Do you even know why he raised the question in the first place? he said, as did many of us, that the foundations for some of these landmark rulings aren't structurally found within the law. So, in your mind, justice means what? Ignoring the law?
     
  14. CKW

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    It's not cut and dry which is why states have different laws. Even when abortion was considered a "right" states had laws according to the values and priorities of that state...some allowing abortion up to 9 months gestation and some ending that option during the 2nd trimester.

    Do women have control over their bodies or not? It depended according to the state.

    Some states will allow an innocent child to die because they value the mental health of a woman who has gone through a traumatic rape more. Some will not allow it. No different then when abortion is considered acceptable in the blue states.
     
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  15. Joe knows

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    I would not allow anyone an abortion if it were rape. For one very obvious reason. Rape would be a word thrown around by women just to get an abortion. This would lead to many false imprisonments.
     
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    I’m against it. Not for the same reason you speak of but for the reasoning that if that’s the ticket to an abortion it will lead to many false accusations that lead to false imprisonment.
     
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    Rape needs to be reported. If not then a woman will compound her problems and a racist is still out there raping other women. Maybe coming back for the victim.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    If abortion is banned because it is "murder" then ANY abortion is MURDER.

    The Anti-Choicers canNOT have it both ways.

    They want to look like they are such "caring" people by making exceptions for rape and incest but only prove that they are HYPOCRITES..

    It is either murder or NOT murder.

    The Anti-Choicers canNOT have it both ways.

    THEREFORE raped women and the victims of incest MUST endure a lifetime punishment for something that wasn't their fault.....

    AAAHHH, the old "women are evil" ticket !! LOL... BUT IF you are correct then maybe abortion shouldn't be banned so no one is falsely imprisoned !!!!!

    False imprisonment happens when a woman is imprisoned for having an abortion......
     
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    Abortion is murder. It’s not their body nor their DNA they are killing
     
  20. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    If abortion is banned because it is "murder" then ANY abortion is MURDER.

    The Anti-Choicers canNOT have it both ways.

    They want to look like they are such "caring" people by making exceptions for rape and incest but only prove that they are HYPOCRITES..

    It is either murder or NOT murder.

    The Anti-Choicers canNOT have it both ways.

    THEREFORE raped women and the victims of incest MUST endure a lifetime punishment for something that wasn't their fault.....



    AAAHHH, the old "women are evil" ticket !! LOL... BUT IF you are correct then maybe abortion shouldn't be banned so no one is falsely imprisoned !!!!!

    False imprisonment happens when a woman is imprisoned for having an abortion......

    If it's not their body then they should be able to take it out and set it on a shelf to grow on it's own.

    So you think it's murder so raped women should pay a much bigger price for being a VICTIM of rape than the actual RAPIST pays....that's deplorable..
     
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    Thomas called for a controversial political direction for the USA, and did so from his seat on the court in an official legal document on a different subject.

    That is MAJOR politicization of the court.

    Try to comprehend where that leads. Should other justices now write into their decisions their ideas for political direction for the USA?

    Should we have the court debating gun control, voting rights and other topics with statements in unrelated decisions?
     
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    And yet, he doesn't call for that. He's making the point that fabricating legal foundation out of whole cloth is bad law. It's predicated on dictation of the law not agreed to formalized law. It smacks of whim satisfaction. Ginsberg said essentially the same thing. You like the RGB, no? The observation isn't the direction of the nation has to change, it's that for these social agreements to exist, we need to ensure that they are structurally grounded in substantive law, which, as also many of us have pointed out, 14th amendment stickiness is likely more necessary than not. Many of us have pointed this out, repeatedly, and yet, so many ignore the truth of these observations to hyperventilate anyway.

    Make a case, get your local or state to respond. Do it legally.
     
  23. WillReadmore

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    You want to pretend that the reason for overturning the Roe decision was no more than that it wasn't well structured.

    But, that has not been necessary for 50 years.

    You're just playing the excuse game.

    Man up. If you want women to be forced to carry embryos to term, then have the balls to say so.

    And, while you're at it, come up with a real reason.
     
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    Two wrongs wouldn't make a right. If the embryo really were a person, they would not deserve to be murdered just because their mother was violated. Fortunately, an embryo is definitely not a person.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're not "anti choice". Judging by your past post history, this is a lie.
     

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